For (mostly public) universities, is immediate population size a big factor for academics?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

[Anonymous]

*laughs in West Lafayette*

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Anonymous wrote:UT got an immediate endowment thanks to oil reserves on its land. But Dallas lacks a major university. Houston has Rice but not much else. Texas has 30 million people.

Florida and 22 million people?

So this big state argument doesn't work well. It's also educational culture and long-standing endowments.

I think it's historical population and "big city" rather than current trends.

FL was considered a backwater not that long ago. TX at least had big oil for like a hundred years.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

"elite" means T10, and Berkeley is Top 10. It also has a global reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:UT got an immediate endowment thanks to oil reserves on its land. But Dallas lacks a major university. Houston has Rice but not much else. Texas has 30 million people.

Florida and 22 million people?

So this big state argument doesn't work well. It's also educational culture and long-standing endowments.

These threads are comical. What do you mean by "major university". There are multiple Tier 1 research universities in Texas including University of Houston (in Houston) and UT Dallas (in Dallas), and UT San Antonio in San Antonio. I think UT Arlington is also a Tier 1 research university and it is basically in Dallas as well.

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OP why are you so obsessed with figuring out why WI is so highly regarded? You come in to any thread that WI could fit into, if even tangentially, in with this question. If you get to start a thread just to ask this question, we deserve to understand your motivation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

+1. Only in the minds of North Easterners who can't get their kids into real elite schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

+1. Only in the minds of North Easterners who can't get their kids into real elite schools.

That’s because there are no elite public universities on the entire eastern seaboard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michigan must have more satisfied alumni who have contributed heavily to grow its huge endowment. Wisconsin alums obviously aren’t as passionate about their alma mater, with the exception of the booster here who keeps opening these kinds of threads.

No it’s the fact that Michigan is willing to invest in companies like Blackrock. Just like it was Michigan who was willing to make half their class out of state in the 1990s, even though that was taboo for a state university back then. When you look at alumni giving rates, along Wisconsin/William and Mary/Berkeley have high proportional giving rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Under your world, there’s no reason for Chicago kids to go to Wisconsin unless they are really wealthy. This doesn’t explain how Wisconsin rose to prominence if it has no large talent pool to work off of.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

"elite" means T10, and Berkeley is Top 10. It also has a global reputation.

Nope. Berkeley is ranked #15 national university by USNWR right now however it really doesn’t offer an elite experience. Overcrowded and difficult to enroll in classes. Large underwhelming mega-campus and constant budget problems.

There are no elite public universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

+1. Only in the minds of North Easterners who can't get their kids into real elite schools.

That’s because there are no elite public universities on the entire eastern seaboard.

I would argue UVA and UNC are up there with the other top public universities. However, none are elite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

"elite" means T10, and Berkeley is Top 10. It also has a global reputation.

Nope. Berkeley is ranked #15 national university by USNWR right now however it really doesn’t offer an elite experience. Overcrowded and difficult to enroll in classes. Large underwhelming mega-campus and constant budget problems.

There are no elite public universities.

Berkeley faculty alone beats schools like Yale pretty handily. I would say pretty clearly the best faculty in the world come from one of the following

Harvard
Princeton
Berkeley
Columbia
Chicago
Stanford

Schools such as Yale, Brown, NYU, Dartmouth have bum faculty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. Total population of the state and total tax base are the important points here. NY the major exception to the trend for historical reasons (SUNY is an embarrassment).

UIUC and Florida and Texas schools reflect their state. As does UW. Though UW is a shadow of its pre Scott Walker self.

Yes, this makes more sense than immediate metro area. UIUC is nowhere near Chicago.

Wisconsin is way closer to the Chicago area than the OP likes to admit. Over 11 million people (including Milwaukee) within a couple of hours drive, considerably more than the Detroit area. Also Chicago has no top publics schools closer than The University of Wisconsin. Michigan also has another giant state school. MSU enrolls way more instate students than U-M. Michigan has operated as a semi-private school for decades.

Actually UIUC and Wisconsin are about the same distance from Chicago and are similarly ranked. Both very good, but neither elite like Berkekey, UCLA, or Michigan.

Elite to whom? You sound like a fool. No public universities are elite. Zero.

"elite" means T10, and Berkeley is Top 10. It also has a global reputation.

Nope. Berkeley is ranked #15 national university by USNWR right now however it really doesn’t offer an elite experience. Overcrowded and difficult to enroll in classes. Large underwhelming mega-campus and constant budget problems.

There are no elite public universities.

Berkeley faculty alone beats schools like Yale pretty handily. I would say pretty clearly the best faculty in the world come from one of the following

Harvard
Princeton
Berkeley
Columbia
Chicago
Stanford

Schools such as Yale, Brown, NYU, Dartmouth have bum faculty

The undergrad experience at Berkeley is abysmal despite their faculty.

[Anonymous]

Madison is a cosmopolitan state capitol with a population of 272,000, and a metro pop of 500,000. Milwaukee is just over an hour away by car.

Ann Arbor has only 120,000 people with Detroit almost fifty miles away.

How do we explain Middlebury or the University of Illinois? Indiana? UC Davis?