I'm the poster you are responding to. You missed out on some fun and interesting work, but ultimately you also missed out on a life of financial hardship and wild employment insecurity. We told our kids we'd pay for any degree except a journalism degree. That's how brutal the industry is right now. |
Yes but the point I was making was the focus on “top”. There are hundreds of such smaller firms that are more than happy to hire a smart grad from other colleges. You're more likely to get wealthy by joining one of the “non top” ones, making partner, and getting bought out by a PE shop or a bigger firm than you are by trying to land a job at McKenzie and grinding through to make partner there. The “top firms” have closed the draw bridges to all but a very few. |
This might explain the frequent plagiarism scandals at the NYT. |
Interesting excerpt from the article:
You may remember a kerfuffle over this back in 2019, when Theodore Kim, then the Times’ director of newsroom fellowships and internships, tweeted out what he described as a “super unscientific opinion on which U.S. schools churn out the most consistently productive candidates”: Best (no order): Columbia, Northwestern, UC Berkeley, Yale Honorable Mentions Tier 1 (no order): Missouri, Harvard, Florida, USC, Duke, Stanford Honorable Mentions, Tier 2 (no order): Howard, Texas, Maryland, UPenn, Cornell, UNC, Syracuse, Illinois, Arizona State, Colorado State, Florida A&M, NYU, Miami of Ohio, Western Kentucky, UC San Diego I also forgot to mention the Newmark School (formerly CUNY), which is definitely in the mix… |
I mean for goodness sake, it’s the New York Times. It’s a very elite employer. I’m sure people can lateral in on other demonstrations of merit. But I would imagine that yeah, most young people they hire probably went to pretty elite schools and probably a lot are wealthy because that’s a big part of getting into elite schools. |
+1 Journalism became a only-the-rich-kids-can-stick-this-out profession about 15 yrs ago. The rest of us had no choice but to leave for various corporate jobs. - Actual NYT alum who didn't go to an Ivy but went to a school that draws hilarious "Is X basically an Ivy?!" DCUM debates, had to leave the industry, and whose wealthiest friend is an NPR reporter. My second wealthiest friend is an artist. |
And that impacts the breadth and quality of the journalism, and the ability of papers to serve the public interest. Journalists who grow up in the 1%/Ivy League bubble don't have an understanding of what goes on outside it - which is why there are so many news stories expressing confusion about how bad consumer sentiment is when the stock market and employment rates are so high. When you have never had to worry about your grocery bill or housing costs or credit card interest rates, and you have never really talked to anyone without a college degree (unless that person does manual labor for you), you are just not going to understand. |
Yes. Journalism has a huge class problem, inside and out. |
Well no one here is going to like this, but that’s basically the premise of Batya Ungar-Sargon’s book, “Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy”. I think she nailed the issue, others may disagree. |
Not very smart to title your book something that guarantees that no one you need to persuade will take you seriously. But a good choice for grifting the confirmation bias crowd. |
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Wait until you find out where all the Supreme Court justices went to law school OP! Your mind will be BLOWN!
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This. Undergrad matters at the top level of almost every profession. |
If the shoe fits . . . |
The thing is, I don't think it reflects well on the NYT. |