Forbes 20 'New Ivies'

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article out this morning. I'm sure everyone here will agree on the list . . . . .

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2024/04/29/exclusive-employers-are-souring-on-ivy-league-grads-while-these-20-new-ivies-ascend/?sh=216979fb5585

author must be a BC alumn lol

If this is because BC is first on the list of private universities, that's because they are listed in alphabetical order...

no, it’s because BC doesn’t belong on this list

dp.. why? I know nothing about BC, but curious why you think so? Based on what?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course BC belongs on the list, along with the others because they're all essentially the next in line after excluding the top schools:
"Our analysis excluded schools with fewer than 4,000 students, the eight old Ivies and four Ivy-plus schools—Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago."

It's about the same list we always see - it's just lopping off the top 12.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article out this morning. I'm sure everyone here will agree on the list . . . . .

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2024/04/29/exclusive-employers-are-souring-on-ivy-league-grads-while-these-20-new-ivies-ascend/?sh=216979fb5585

author must be a BC alumn lol

If this is because BC is first on the list of private universities, that's because they are listed in alphabetical order...

no, it’s because BC doesn’t belong on this list

dp.. why? I know nothing about BC, but curious why you think so? Based on what?

of course it belongs on the list. It's full of "just missed" Ivy students. Also has a #7 nationally ranked Finance undergrad degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

So, no surprises. Most of these would be on any list for those outside the ivies+4.
Except for me I don't understand the relatively quick rise of U Florida.

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The article and the list don't actually seem to have anything to do with one another.

Why wouldn't the list be a compilation of the top 10 public and top 10 private colleges that the respondents indicate where they hire the most graduates?

Makes no sense that it is just a list of schools with high standardized test scores (although, strange that they say if only more than 50% of the schools had kids reporting test scores...seems like that threshold should be much higher)...and not a list of where companies hire kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

So, no surprises. Most of these would be on any list for those outside the ivies+4.
Except for me I don't understand the relatively quick rise of U Florida.

The state of Florida has one or two full scholarship programs for Florida students who attend Florida public colleges. Also, UF does an impressive amount of R&D (funded research).

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This is hilarious. The article says very clearly before it lists the private schools "Our analysis excluded schools with fewer than 4,000 students, the eight old Ivies and four Ivy-plus schools—Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago."...so basically it is just listing the US News Rankings minus these schools and the SLACs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course BC belongs on the list, along with the others because they're all essentially the next in line after excluding the top schools:
"Our analysis excluded schools with fewer than 4,000 students, the eight old Ivies and four Ivy-plus schools—Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago."

It's about the same list we always see - it's just lopping off the top 12 and SLAC.

yep

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Ivies are loosing luster simply because the hiring managers are mostly 2nd tier elites or state uni grads. There aren't that many ivy grad hiring managers. There aren't that many ivy grads, period.

That said, the slippery slope here is that the 2nd tier universities are loosing steam as well. When the $90,000 price tag is factored in, their ROI is below that of state flagships. Next to the ivy pluses, state unis is the way to go. And the bonus is that there are more state uni grads hiring managers than 2nd tier elite grad hiring managers. They all pull for each other.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

So, no surprises. Most of these would be on any list for those outside the ivies+4.
Except for me I don't understand the relatively quick rise of U Florida.

The state of Florida has one or two full scholarship programs for Florida students who attend Florida public colleges. Also, UF does an impressive amount of R&D (funded research).

This isn't new is it? It seems that UF has been marching up the ranks in the last 10 years or so. Surely I could be mis-remembering my data.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivies are loosing luster simply because the hiring managers are mostly 2nd tier elites or state uni grads. There aren't that many ivy grad hiring managers. There aren't that many ivy grads, period.

That said, the slippery slope here is that the 2nd tier universities are loosing steam as well. When the $90,000 price tag is factored in, their ROI is below that of state flagships. Next to the ivy pluses, state unis is the way to go. And the bonus is that there are more state uni grads hiring managers than 2nd tier elite grad hiring managers. They all pull for each other.

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[Anonymous]

The Ivy grads I know are doing just fine this year. These top 10/top 20 lists are silly. Lots of great schools to choose from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The article and the list don't actually seem to have anything to do with one another.

Why wouldn't the list be a compilation of the top 10 public and top 10 private colleges that the respondents indicate where they hire the most graduates?

Makes no sense that it is just a list of schools with high standardized test scores (although, strange that they say if only more than 50% of the schools had kids reporting test scores...seems like that threshold should be much higher)...and not a list of where companies hire kids.

I don't know what questions were asked but, here's what they looked at:

we also screened with a selectivity yardstick (below a 20% admission rate at private schools, 50% at publics). And then from there, we took the 32 remaining schools and surveyed our hiring manager respondents about each one.

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So glad to see Binghamton there. Happy to see SUNY represented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies are loosing luster simply because the hiring managers are mostly 2nd tier elites or state uni grads. There aren't that many ivy grad hiring managers. There aren't that many ivy grads, period.

That said, the slippery slope here is that the 2nd tier universities are loosing steam as well. When the $90,000 price tag is factored in, their ROI is below that of state flagships. Next to the ivy pluses, state unis is the way to go. And the bonus is that there are more state uni grads hiring managers than 2nd tier elite grad hiring managers. They all pull for each other.
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I mean this is wishful thinking.
State Uni grads usually remain In-state or within a small region. They do not have the pull nationally, and few state schools have the rabid alumni network that for example BC or USC has.