If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to these people, true Americans are those who don't go to college.

Says you on here.

Says the GOP policy of us vs them. “Real Americans” vs “ coastal elites” is one good example. And the GOP’s habit of sneering at anything that’s just pure learning, like we have no need for art, philosophy or poetry.

No, the GOP worldview is a dank and mucky one where you have to prove that you’re sufficiently an ogre to be a “real American.”

You're confusing the messaging conveyed by GOP politicians and the actual sentiment of most Republican voters. Most Americans, both Dem and GOP leaning folks, have viewpoints that are much more closely aligned than the viewpoints of the extreme right and left loudmouth idiot politicians. There are those regular people that become poisoned by the Hannity/Maddow garbage cable news but otherwise most of us are on the same page with our core values. Love and peace to all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don't even need to go to student loan forgiveness, OP. Just look at how many Rs still want to gut ACA, or decline the medicaid expansion, or how they don't support medicare for all.

They do not believe in helping Americans. What they believe in is individuals pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, and not giving out what they perceive to be handouts of any kind. They want low taxes so that they can keep what they earn and not spend it helping others, real or not. They believe that helping out others should not be forced but rather through charity.

They aren't really about "helping Americans" with the funds for Ukraine, but more about not helping others with our tax dollars.

Until their town is hit with a natural disaster. Then they come crying to FEMA demanding our tax dollars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans why are you against student loan forgiveness? I understand it should be Americans 1st, so why the same people against Ukraine are for helping Americans, but at the end of the day you're against both?

Because both aids are just wealth distribution. A lot of people with loans are not even Americans by the way.

[Anonymous]

I am Ukrainian American and I am against promoting more killing in Ukraine. The sooner Americans stop sending money to Ukraine, the less people will die. I also against student loan forgiveness because anyone who received student loans are capable to read (even if they read with the help of the dictionary, like me) their obligations.

[Anonymous]

Government aid and price have grown together, with the aid enabling colleges to raise their prices at rates far exceeding normal inflation. If you give people more money to pay for something, the price of that thing rises.

This applies to mass debt cancellation. With the precedent set that debt will be cancelled whenever a president deems it too burdensome, both colleges and students can reasonably expect generous forgiveness in the future. That could encourage schools to raise prices even higher because students will see a good chance they’ll never have to fully repay.

Biden’s plan may well necessitate higher taxes, with cancellation expected to cost in the vicinity of $500 billion and the federal government not exactly flush with cash.

Another major problem with federal aid is that it has artificially pushed enrollment, driving a credential glut that has made having a bachelor’s degree increasingly necessary to get jobs that previously did not require one. Basically, one has to spend more and more time in school just to stay in one place in the labor market.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans why are you against student loan forgiveness? I understand it should be Americans 1st, so why the same people against Ukraine are for helping Americans, but at the end of the day you're against both?

Not against help Ukraine, better to fund their victory over Russia than have boots on the ground.

Against loan forgiveness because I had student loans and paid them back. People need to understand what they are getting into when they take out a loan. Then pay it back. Should have pursued a useful degree or understood how long it would be to pay of the loans if you chose a less lucrative profession.

What makes you believe these students have t paid their loans back? They’ve paid $40000 back of a $30000 loan, but still owe $50000. That’s whack.

I had nothing growing up. And had to take out loans and work to get through college and grad school. Lived meagerly through my 20s and paid off the loans. I am not such a bitter and miserly person that I don’t want others to fare better than I did. What a messed up world view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to these people, true Americans are those who don't go to college.

Says you on here.

Says the GOP policy of us vs them. “Real Americans” vs “ coastal elites” is one good example. And the GOP’s habit of sneering at anything that’s just pure learning, like we have no need for art, philosophy or poetry.

No, the GOP worldview is a dank and mucky one where you have to prove that you’re sufficiently an ogre to be a “real American.”

You're confusing the messaging conveyed by GOP politicians and the actual sentiment of most Republican voters. Most Americans, both Dem and GOP leaning folks, have viewpoints that are much more closely aligned than the viewpoints of the extreme right and left loudmouth idiot politicians. There are those regular people that become poisoned by the Hannity/Maddow garbage cable news but otherwise most of us are on the same page with our core values. Love and peace to all.

Is there a typo somewhere in here? Other than the both sides garbage take, obviously.

And no, based on Republicans’ votes they do not seem to share any core values at all. Like rights for all. Election integrity. Being loyal to America first and not Russia or China. Stopping global warming and supporting women’s rights to bodily autonomy. The separation of church and state. All of the above are totally anathema to today’s GOP and they vote that way. They figuratively applauded Trump trying to kill Democrats FFS.

Republicans do not want to help Americans and they’re happy to let Russia have Ukraine because they think Russia is good and pure and that issue will for sure stay isolated in this one smallish area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans why are you against student loan forgiveness? I understand it should be Americans 1st, so why the same people against Ukraine are for helping Americans, but at the end of the day you're against both?

Not against help Ukraine, better to fund their victory over Russia than have boots on the ground.

Against loan forgiveness because I had student loans and paid them back. People need to understand what they are getting into when they take out a loan. Then pay it back. Should have pursued a useful degree or understood how long it would be to pay of the loans if you chose a less lucrative profession.

What makes you believe these students have t paid their loans back? They’ve paid $40000 back of a $30000 loan, but still owe $50000. That’s whack.

I had nothing growing up. And had to take out loans and work to get through college and grad school. Lived meagerly through my 20s and paid off the loans. I am not such a bitter and miserly person that I don’t want others to fare better than I did. What a messed up world view.

+1

It’s not like these people just decided to duck off to Bali or destroy the nation’s economics. They’ve more than paid off their loans.

[Anonymous]

Because they’ve already been indoctrinated to be docile idiots by the KGB. It’s too late. The propaganda lives rent free in their heads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans why are you against student loan forgiveness? I understand it should be Americans 1st, so why the same people against Ukraine are for helping Americans, but at the end of the day you're against both?

Not against help Ukraine, better to fund their victory over Russia than have boots on the ground.

Against loan forgiveness because I had student loans and paid them back. People need to understand what they are getting into when they take out a loan. Then pay it back. Should have pursued a useful degree or understood how long it would be to pay of the loans if you chose a less lucrative profession.

What makes you believe these students have t paid their loans back? They’ve paid $40000 back of a $30000 loan, but still owe $50000. That’s whack.

I had nothing growing up. And had to take out loans and work to get through college and grad school. Lived meagerly through my 20s and paid off the loans. I am not such a bitter and miserly person that I don’t want others to fare better than I did. What a messed up world view.

+1

It’s not like these people just decided to duck off to Bali or destroy the nation’s economics. They’ve more than paid off their loans.

You don't believe in interest? Rate too high?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't even need to go to student loan forgiveness, OP. Just look at how many Rs still want to gut ACA, or decline the medicaid expansion, or how they don't support medicare for all.

They do not believe in helping Americans. What they believe in is individuals pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, and not giving out what they perceive to be handouts of any kind. They want low taxes so that they can keep what they earn and not spend it helping others, real or not. They believe that helping out others should not be forced but rather through charity.

They aren't really about "helping Americans" with the funds for Ukraine, but more about not helping others with our tax dollars.

Until their town is hit with a natural disaster. Then they come crying to FEMA demanding our tax dollars.

yes, and when natural disasters hit blue states, the so called Christian right like to say how God is punishing them for their sinful ways, but if a natural disaster hits red states (like yesterday's tornadoes), then it's "prayers" and "need help from government".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Ukrainian American and I am against promoting more killing in Ukraine. The sooner Americans stop sending money to Ukraine, the less people will die. I also against student loan forgiveness because anyone who received student loans are capable to read (even if they read with the help of the dictionary, like me) their obligations.

You mean you are Ukrainian Russian and are fine with Russia taking over Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans why are you against student loan forgiveness? I understand it should be Americans 1st, so why the same people against Ukraine are for helping Americans, but at the end of the day you're against both?

Not against help Ukraine, better to fund their victory over Russia than have boots on the ground.

Against loan forgiveness because I had student loans and paid them back. People need to understand what they are getting into when they take out a loan. Then pay it back. Should have pursued a useful degree or understood how long it would be to pay of the loans if you chose a less lucrative profession.

What makes you believe these students have t paid their loans back? They’ve paid $40000 back of a $30000 loan, but still owe $50000. That’s whack.

I had nothing growing up. And had to take out loans and work to get through college and grad school. Lived meagerly through my 20s and paid off the loans. I am not such a bitter and miserly person that I don’t want others to fare better than I did. What a messed up world view.

+1

It’s not like these people just decided to duck off to Bali or destroy the nation’s economics. They’ve more than paid off their loans.

Some went to India to study meditation with their guru rather than get a higher paying job to pay off their loans, even though they knew they should.

[Anonymous]

We must stop Putin at any cost. He is trumps biggest backer. If we don’t defeat the Russians in Ukraine they will start WWIII and Trump will be back in office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you're against helping Ukraine, and want to help Americans why are you against student loan forgiveness? I understand it should be Americans 1st, so why the same people against Ukraine are for helping Americans, but at the end of the day you're against both?

I want the national debt to be lower.