Trump to gut ACA via executive order

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

It's the working class who voted for Trump. The working poor voted for Hillary. You liberals are so snobby that you consider two high school grads, each making an hourly wage of $18 and living in a modest ranch house they own, the "working poor." That's the working class. The working poor are those in Target, earning $9/hr and renting a run-down apartment with two friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

Maybe insurance companies should pull out of the urban areas, where lots of poor Democrats are located. Interesting how you protect the rights to Democrats to get free shit paid for by working-class people, but are only to happy to see working-class people get the shaft.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Insurers in 14 states assumed CSRs would continue, so they're screwed—expect insurers to exit. This includes:

Alaska, Arizona, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas and Vermont.

Off the top of my head, Alaska, Arizona, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Texas are Red/Purple states.

I wonder how they will deal with an immediate collapse in their markets and how their voters feel today?

Maryland and New Jersey can likely do something to bridge the gap, though voters in Garrett, Alleghany and Washington County will definitely feel the pinch.

Except the cost-sharing subsidies go to the much poorer people, and the struggling working class (say a couple of HS grads earning $30k each) will continue to get insurance premium subsidies. And THEY are the core of the "idiots in flyover country" that you elitists demean, and who largely voted for Trump. And THAT is exactly what these "barely-getting-by" had been complaining about - that poor people got all the government goodies while they were left holding the bag.

OTOH, the poor people - urban cities in the liberal states, like CA, IL, an NY - are primarily the Hillary voters who wanted to keep the goodies flowing. That would be fine and dandy if money were unlimited, but it's not, and so now they will feel the pain that Obamacare caused the middle class (who get NO subsidies at all), while leaving the working class - the Trump voters - unaffected for the most part. It's a good start in forcing the Congress to act - and that includes addressing the high cost of medical care itself.

Not true. The poorest in our society will continue to get Medicare. It's the lower middle class/working poor who are going to get stiffed by the removal of the subsidies for health insurance and go without needed medical care. Trump seems to enjoy breaking things, but has no talent for building anything.

Trump is a f*cking moron with impulse control issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

Maybe insurance companies should pull out of the urban areas, where lots of poor Democrats are located. Interesting how you protect the rights to Democrats to get free shit paid for by working-class people, but are only to happy to see working-class people get the shaft.

You better hope Trump doesn't challenge you to an IQ test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

Maybe insurance companies should pull out of the urban areas, where lots of poor Democrats are located. Interesting how you protect the rights to Democrats to get free shit paid for by working-class people, but are only to happy to see working-class people get the shaft.

Democrats make it so obvious that they dislike the working class. And then they can't understand why the working class won't vote for them.

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This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

As of yesterday it’s Trumpcare, good luck.

No, it's not. It will always be Obamacare.

Nope, he broke the china in the store, he owns it now.

The china was crumbling before Trump was even elected. (If it wasn't, he might not have won.)

Do republicans ever take responsibility for their actions? Ever??? What does it take? Such a sleazy bunch.

Do you possess any self-awareness whatsoever?

Obama picked a bad, fundamentally flawed health care plan. The only way it can possibly continue to hobble along is if Trump decides to prop it up. And Obama is in no way to blame?

I'll play. Sure, Obama has some blame. Now who else is to blame?


Or is it just Obama....according to you?

If I'm an architect who designs and builds a fundamentally flawed house, I can be mad that the home owner didn't spend more money on repairs or that the repairmen could have done a better job, but I'm the one who is primarily to blame.

So, in other words, for you, all blame goes to Obama.

I'm not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I indirectly administer Medicaid through my job (it's not my primary job, but it's a side effect). The bottom 20-25% won't feel this at all. Maybe more in Medicaid expansion states. Middle class and UMC, whether they buy through the ACA or their employer, are going to get killed on premiums. The exception will be extremely large pools, like Feds. Where there are hundreds of thousands of healthy buyins for some policies.

Taking things away without a plan to replace by EO-- the Climate accords, DACA, the ACA-- isn't legislating. It's going to cause chaos on many levels.

Welcome to Seve Brannon's utopia.

Not sure about this. Subsidies and reimbursements are stopping effective immediately. That most definitely affects the bottom 25%.

Bottom 25% has Medicaid.

[Anonymous]

If we lived in a world where consequences were swift and it was easy to hold people responsible, I might be comfortable with a Trump presidency.

As it stands, consequences are sometimes slow to develop, the wealthy and powerful have constructed ways to exempt themselves from not only the consequences of their actions/decisions, but also from accountability, and those who have to actually deal with the consequences either don't know who to hold accountable, or refuse to hold certain people (their TEAM/SIDE) accountable, and instead seek to blame others for their demise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The middle class who do not get the subsidies are already being killed on this.

It’s about to get much worse. Thanks Trump.

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This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

As of yesterday it’s Trumpcare, good luck.

No, it's not. It will always be Obamacare.

Nope, he broke the china in the store, he owns it now.

The china was crumbling before Trump was even elected. (If it wasn't, he might not have won.)

Do republicans ever take responsibility for their actions? Ever??? What does it take? Such a sleazy bunch.

Do you possess any self-awareness whatsoever?

Obama picked a bad, fundamentally flawed health care plan. The only way it can possibly continue to hobble along is if Trump decides to prop it up. And Obama is in no way to blame?

I'll play. Sure, Obama has some blame. Now who else is to blame?


Or is it just Obama....according to you?

If I'm an architect who designs and builds a fundamentally flawed house, I can be mad that the home owner didn't spend more money on repairs or that the repairmen could have done a better job, but I'm the one who is primarily to blame.

So, in other words, for you, all blame goes to Obama.

I'm not surprised.

If you have any spare time today, maybe you can use it to work on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Insurers in 14 states assumed CSRs would continue, so they're screwed—expect insurers to exit. This includes:

Alaska, Arizona, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas and Vermont.

Off the top of my head, Alaska, Arizona, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Texas are Red/Purple states.

I wonder how they will deal with an immediate collapse in their markets and how their voters feel today?

Maryland and New Jersey can likely do something to bridge the gap, though voters in Garrett, Alleghany and Washington County will definitely feel the pinch.

Except the cost-sharing subsidies go to the much poorer people, and the struggling working class (say a couple of HS grads earning $30k each) will continue to get insurance premium subsidies. And THEY are the core of the "idiots in flyover country" that you elitists demean, and who largely voted for Trump. And THAT is exactly what these "barely-getting-by" had been complaining about - that poor people got all the government goodies while they were left holding the bag.

OTOH, the poor people - urban cities in the liberal states, like CA, IL, an NY - are primarily the Hillary voters who wanted to keep the goodies flowing. That would be fine and dandy if money were unlimited, but it's not, and so now they will feel the pain that Obamacare caused the middle class (who get NO subsidies at all), while leaving the working class - the Trump voters - unaffected for the most part. It's a good start in forcing the Congress to act - and that includes addressing the high cost of medical care itself.

Except you are wrong. Truly poor is covered by Medicaid, not the ACA. That’s people at 100% to 400% of the poverty level, depending on your state. Most red states did not take Medicaid expansion, so someone making 250% of the federal poverty level is likely on Medicaid in a blue state, but not in a red state. In the blue state, nothing changes for this working class family. Because this does not touch Medicaid. In the red state, without Medicaid expansion, a family with the same income is not Medicaid eligible, and is paying ACA premiums. With are about to go through the roof. So red staters get trash policies that cover nothing or at least a 20% joke. Blue staters on Medicaid aren’t affected at all.

There is a reason Rs could never actually pull the trigger on repeal. It hurts their base— the people in the middle and non-Medicaid expansion states—more.

BTW- 86% of people who use the ACA get subsidies— so almost everyone. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/us/11-7-million-americans-have-insurance-under-health-act.html

It feels like you have no idea what you are talking about.