Is Gonzaga the it school this year for boys?

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Please enlighten me.

Maybe BC can not claim an official motto but Ever to Excel and Men and Women for Others are what you hear from the admin. AMDG is a Jesuit saying that is used by all/most Jesuit schools. You may see Gonzaga bumper stickers that have purple and black AMDG.

I am not a scholar on Pedro Arupe SJ but I believe in the over arching teachings of the Jesuits even though I am not a practicing Catholic, my kid is not Catholic.

I hope you are enjoying arguing just to argue.

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Anonymous wrote:Please enlighten me.

Maybe BC can not claim an official motto but Ever to Excel and Men and Women for Others are what you hear from the admin. AMDG is a Jesuit saying that is used by all/most Jesuit schools. You may see Gonzaga bumper stickers that have purple and black AMDG.

I am not a scholar on Pedro Arupe SJ but I believe in the over arching teachings of the Jesuits even though I am not a practicing Catholic, my kid is not Catholic.

I hope you are enjoying arguing just to argue.

Don't respond to the troll. Same tone as all the other disparaging comments. My mother had a couple of names to describe people like this: Know-it-all and Smart-aleck.

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Anonymous wrote:Please enlighten me.

Maybe BC can not claim an official motto but Ever to Excel and Men and Women for Others are what you hear from the admin. AMDG is a Jesuit saying that is used by all/most Jesuit schools. You may see Gonzaga bumper stickers that have purple and black AMDG.

I am not a scholar on Pedro Arupe SJ but I believe in the over arching teachings of the Jesuits even though I am not a practicing Catholic, my kid is not Catholic.

I hope you are enjoying arguing just to argue.

Oh, you’re not Catholic so you only have a cursory knowledge of this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Please enlighten me.

Maybe BC can not claim an official motto but Ever to Excel and Men and Women for Others are what you hear from the admin. AMDG is a Jesuit saying that is used by all/most Jesuit schools. You may see Gonzaga bumper stickers that have purple and black AMDG.

I am not a scholar on Pedro Arupe SJ but I believe in the over arching teachings of the Jesuits even though I am not a practicing Catholic, my kid is not Catholic.

I hope you are enjoying arguing just to argue.

Don't respond to the troll. Same tone as all the other disparaging comments. My mother had a couple of names to describe people like this: Know-it-all and Smart-aleck.

Well, if she was Irish, she would have a stronger word. Are you also not Catholic with a cursory knowledge of Catholicism.

None of the stuff either you were saying is in the spirit of Jesuit teachings.

I suggest three Hail Mary and two our fathers.

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Anonymous wrote:Please enlighten me.

Maybe BC can not claim an official motto but Ever to Excel and Men and Women for Others are what you hear from the admin. AMDG is a Jesuit saying that is used by all/most Jesuit schools. You may see Gonzaga bumper stickers that have purple and black AMDG.

I am not a scholar on Pedro Arupe SJ but I believe in the over arching teachings of the Jesuits even though I am not a practicing Catholic, my kid is not Catholic.

I hope you are enjoying arguing just to argue.

Don't respond to the troll. Same tone as all the other disparaging comments. My mother had a couple of names to describe people like this: Know-it-all and Smart-aleck.

Well, if she was Irish, she would have a stronger word. Are you also not Catholic with a cursory knowledge of Catholicism.

None of the stuff either you were saying is in the spirit of Jesuit teachings.

I suggest three Hail Mary and two our fathers.

I am Catholic, and I was responding to the previous PP. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Nobody WANTS to be "the new" St. Albans or Yale. Please. Get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

yes, I pointed out the Jesuit and the Benedictine connectoins... didn't know about Salesian... very interesting.

But you're almost there... what are all these orders... what are they?

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

yes, I pointed out the Jesuit and the Benedictine connectoins... didn't know about Salesian... very interesting.

But you're almost there... what are all these orders... what are they?

They are independent. Yay you finally got it!!

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

yes, I pointed out the Jesuit and the Benedictine connectoins... didn't know about Salesian... very interesting.

But you're almost there... what are all these orders... what are they?

They are independent. Yay you finally got it!!

No, they're Catholic holy orders whose heads are appointed by the Pope and answer to the Pope. Members of the order act as school presidents or headmasters and the orders require the schools to place order members on the board of trustees. The Catholic church is a heirachy, once again--that's the point! And, once again, if these Jesuit, Benedictine, Lasallian, Salesian, et al schools are "independent" of the Catholic orders that ostensibly control them, a whole lot of people are going to want their money back, because the guidance, direction, requirements of academic rigor, cultural norms and curriculum of these holy orders is the reason people send their kids there and not St. Alban's or some godless montessori school or something.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

yes, I pointed out the Jesuit and the Benedictine connectoins... didn't know about Salesian... very interesting.

But you're almost there... what are all these orders... what are they?

They are independent. Yay you finally got it!!

No, they're Catholic holy orders whose heads are appointed by the Pope and answer to the Pope. Members of the order act as school presidents or headmasters and the orders require the schools to place order members on the board of trustees. The Catholic church is a heirachy, once again--that's the point! And, once again, if these Jesuit, Benedictine, Lasallian, Salesian, et al schools are "independent" of the Catholic orders that ostensibly control them, a whole lot of people are going to want their money back, because the guidance, direction, requirements of academic rigor, cultural norms and curriculum of these holy orders is the reason people send their kids there and not St. Alban's or some godless montessori school or something.

But the schools are independent.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

yes, I pointed out the Jesuit and the Benedictine connectoins... didn't know about Salesian... very interesting.

But you're almost there... what are all these orders... what are they?

They are independent. Yay you finally got it!!

No, they're Catholic holy orders whose heads are appointed by the Pope and answer to the Pope. Members of the order act as school presidents or headmasters and the orders require the schools to place order members on the board of trustees. The Catholic church is a heirachy, once again--that's the point! And, once again, if these Jesuit, Benedictine, Lasallian, Salesian, et al schools are "independent" of the Catholic orders that ostensibly control them, a whole lot of people are going to want their money back, because the guidance, direction, requirements of academic rigor, cultural norms and curriculum of these holy orders is the reason people send their kids there and not St. Alban's or some godless montessori school or something.

But the schools are independent.

We actually get it, PP. Ignore the prejudiced, anti-Catholic hater. Independent Catholic schools, Episcopal schools like St. Albans and NCS, Quaker schools like Sidwell Friends are all in the same sort of category. Private independent schools with a religious affiliation. The bigot just doesn’t care for Catholics. Quakers and Episcopalians are just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the high school that accepts the largest number of boys, so it can feel like "everyone" is going there. There are 960+ boys there. DeMatha is almost as big.

DeMatha is closer to 800.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

Well, they do. And at Gonazaga, specifically, as detailed earlier in this crazy thread, the school defended itself in court from discrimination claims by invoking the clergy clause, saying they are an institution of the Catholic church and their teachers are there to teach the tenets of Catholicism.

I don't know what school your kids go to, and am willing to believe that higher-ups, whether they are from the archdiocese or the Jesuit or Benedictine (let's not forget St. Anselm's!) orders, may not interfere with daily education decisions, but they absolutely play a major role in setting the schools path, the overarching curriculum and the decisions about the style of teaching. In fact, at schools that are Jesuit and especially those that are Benedictine, THIS IS THE SELLING POINT. They maintain very high levels of academic excellence and promote a very specific style of classical education — if those representatives of the Catholic church are not involved at those schools there are a lot of people who are going to want their goddamn money back!

You don't know what you are talking about. Each school is founded/run by a different order of priests or nuns. Gonzaga and Prep are Jesuit. Stone Ridge is part of the Sacred Heart Network of Schools. Visitation is Salesian. SJC is Lasallian. All of these schools are independent in that they aren't under the umbrella of a particular church or archdiocese. Their curriculum is independent...and if you observe closely, they vary even if under that same order (GZ vs GP for example have different curricula). I know you are convinced Catholic schools are somehow under some higher power overseeing them, but other than the parochial schools, that simply is not the case. And if you still claim it is, please provide hard evidence of this. I doubt you have it.

yes, I pointed out the Jesuit and the Benedictine connectoins... didn't know about Salesian... very interesting.

But you're almost there... what are all these orders... what are they?

They are independent. Yay you finally got it!!

No, they're Catholic holy orders whose heads are appointed by the Pope and answer to the Pope. Members of the order act as school presidents or headmasters and the orders require the schools to place order members on the board of trustees. The Catholic church is a heirachy, once again--that's the point! And, once again, if these Jesuit, Benedictine, Lasallian, Salesian, et al schools are "independent" of the Catholic orders that ostensibly control them, a whole lot of people are going to want their money back, because the guidance, direction, requirements of academic rigor, cultural norms and curriculum of these holy orders is the reason people send their kids there and not St. Alban's or some godless montessori school or something.

But the schools are independent.

We actually get it, PP. Ignore the prejudiced, anti-Catholic hater. Independent Catholic schools, Episcopal schools like St. Albans and NCS, Quaker schools like Sidwell Friends are all in the same sort of category. Private independent schools with a religious affiliation. The bigot just doesn’t care for Catholics. Quakers and Episcopalians are just fine.

There is no hierarchal structure in the Quaker church. That's the point of the Quaker church.