Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this is terrible. Thee cops are assaulting our children!

Good. I hope they take them all out. Permanently.

This is not ok. Americans have the right to protest and not get beaten or gassed by police. That is something the Gestapo would do.

Ooh, tell us about their “right” to storm a building and take it over, barricading the doors so no one can enter. You’re either a really bad troll or just incredibly stupid.

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Honestly, who cares if there are some outside agitators involved? These students have shown just how stupid they are to continue engaging in illegal activity when they were given umpteen opportunities to simply leave. What a bunch of absolute idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the protests, and lose. History is on the side of protesters.

Each and every time.

Like the Charlottesville protesters or Jan. 6th or Attica?

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.

It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.

The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.

They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.

This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.

+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.

+1000

The issue is not the topic of the protest which no university should really express an opinion on. The issue is the disruption of other students rights to an education, any possible violence against others, non participation by the protesters in their schoolwork and occupation of a building. These individual actions should be dealt with. But whatever they are protesting is not the point. And they made it the point. It’s like they never dealt with kids before.

Part of the issue is that some faculty have also expressed solidarity with the political points of the protestors. Which was dumb of them.

Why is that a problem? Faculty should be able to comment freely on either side of this and any issue.

I mean you have donors trying to influence university positions by threatening to withhold gifts. It seemed crude but influencing policy with money (which is a form of speech) is as American as apple pie.

Faculty showed up to protect the protesters after they had been told to evacuate and remove their illegal encampment.
Faculty should be able to comment freely, but not aid and abet the students who were clearly breaking the rules.
I am glad the faculty is showing who they are........ perhaps perspective students will see this and make their decisions accordingly.

Everything was legal in Nazi Germany, in Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Afghanistan etc. etc. etc. Rules made by a power class to benefit itself do not supersede inalienable rights and values granted to every human by Nature/God (whatever you believe in).

The right to private property is an inalienable right and protesters have no right to violate that to camp in buildings that don’t belong to them.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just believe that college campuses should be where kids go to study. Any protests about anything should not be taking place on the college campuses, or if they occur, should be limited to 1 hour at a set time with a beginning and end. The never ending protests interrupt the education of not only the protesters but the other students who are not involved. Shouldn’t they be studying for finals now? If my kid wanted to protest, I would tell them they can do that during the summer but they are in college to get an education. I remember attending a 1 hour protest at my university a long time ago, where we listened to speakers and then went back to studying.

Well, 1A doesn’t have a one hour time limit. To be clear, I have the WM student and posted above. I don’t want her (or her sibling at a SLAC) protesting during finals either. And thus far, they’ve shown good judgment IMO. Especially the WM kid, because she is in IR and wants a job down the line where she will need a security clearance. Which an arrest would complicate. Or worse. BUT, my kids are now adults. And while I try to help when I can, ultimately, they don’t have to “obey me” (although they must respect house rules when they are at home) and they own the consequences of their actions.

I love them. I don’t have to love everything they do. I think they make very good decisions, especially given their ages. But when they don’t, they need to do everything they can to fix it before they come to me. Then I’ll help, if I can. But if you, for example, skip classes and tank a grade, not much I can do.

You”go and get” a 10 year old. A 21 year old, you voice concern and hope it works out for them. It’s what makes parenting young adults so damn hard. You don’t have a lot of control.

But if you’re footing the bill, all bets are off.

[Anonymous]

Counter-protesters attacked the pro-Palestinian encampment last night at UCLA.

At around 10:50 p.m., counter-protesters – who had been gathering around the encampment since that afternoon – began wrestling with protesters inside and CSC security hired by UCLA over the metal barricades surrounding the Gaza solidarity encampment. The barriers came down shortly afterward, and counter-protesters wearing masks then began shoving the wooden boards surrounding the encampment, attempting to topple them onto the protesters inside.

As counter-protesters pushed forward, some began aggressively hitting those inside the encampment with sticks, and others continued to break down the metal fences. Individuals also threw wooden planks, cones, a Bird scooter and water bottles at the encampment while chanting “USA, USA.”

Counter-protesters continued to spray noxious gasses at around 12:10 a.m. Another large round of gas from an unknown source was released at 12:23 a.m., and another at 12:37 a.m. The UC Divest representative said in a text message statement that the tear gas originated from counter-protesters, and encampment participants had only thrown back the canisters. However, a Daily Bruin reporter witnessed a hand inside the encampment spraying an aerosol out of a can toward the counter-protesters.

A counter-protester smashed the finger of a protester inside using a wooden slab at around 12:28 a.m. Counter-protesters also shouted an anti-Black racial slur at around the same time.

https://dailybruin.com/2024/05/01/pro-israel-counter-protesters-attempt-to-storm-encampment-sparking-violence

[Anonymous]

Netanyahu’s America. A fascist state where students are thrown down stairs, denied medical care and the press is threatened with arrests if they report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Counter-protesters attacked the pro-Palestinian encampment last night at UCLA.

At around 10:50 p.m., counter-protesters – who had been gathering around the encampment since that afternoon – began wrestling with protesters inside and CSC security hired by UCLA over the metal barricades surrounding the Gaza solidarity encampment. The barriers came down shortly afterward, and counter-protesters wearing masks then began shoving the wooden boards surrounding the encampment, attempting to topple them onto the protesters inside.

As counter-protesters pushed forward, some began aggressively hitting those inside the encampment with sticks, and others continued to break down the metal fences. Individuals also threw wooden planks, cones, a Bird scooter and water bottles at the encampment while chanting “USA, USA.”

Counter-protesters continued to spray noxious gasses at around 12:10 a.m. Another large round of gas from an unknown source was released at 12:23 a.m., and another at 12:37 a.m. The UC Divest representative said in a text message statement that the tear gas originated from counter-protesters, and encampment participants had only thrown back the canisters. However, a Daily Bruin reporter witnessed a hand inside the encampment spraying an aerosol out of a can toward the counter-protesters.

A counter-protester smashed the finger of a protester inside using a wooden slab at around 12:28 a.m. Counter-protesters also shouted an anti-Black racial slur at around the same time.

https://dailybruin.com/2024/05/01/pro-israel-counter-protesters-attempt-to-storm-encampment-sparking-violence

Zionists don’t know any other way of being, they have been bred to be barbaric.

[Anonymous]

Americans have the right to peacefully protest.

Nobody has the “right” to:

Damage property

Threaten others

Assault others

Prevent others from accessing public or private property

Prevent students from attending class

Be a total a-hole

^^^
None of that is peacefully protesting. They deserve to be arrested.

It’s shocking to me that our Supreme Court is currently mulling over a case that could criminalize homeless people for simply sitting or sleeping on the street yet these privileged Americans can wreak havoc, damage property, and directly impact others without consequence.

I am baffled as to why Americans are centering themselves in this war…so “American” to make it about themselves.

Embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans have the right to peacefully protest.

Nobody has the “right” to:

Damage property

Threaten others

Assault others

Prevent others from accessing public or private property

Prevent students from attending class

Be a total a-hole

^^^
None of that is peacefully protesting. They deserve to be arrested.

It’s shocking to me that our Supreme Court is currently mulling over a case that could criminalize homeless people for simply sitting or sleeping on the street yet these privileged Americans can wreak havoc, damage property, and directly impact others without consequence.

I am baffled as to why Americans are centering themselves in this war…so “American” to make it about themselves.

Embarrassing.

Even Mika Brzezinski of Morning Joe agrees with you:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mika-brzezinski-declares-pro-palestinian-college-protests-look-like-january-6/ar-AA1nVNPC

Brezinski reacted to footage from protests by saying they reminded her of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

“That’s the place we’ve all been sitting in, watching this, going, ‘What the hell is going on? What are these universities doing? Why aren’t they doing something?’ And I’ll echo the horror that this does look like January 6th. What a terrible example for our students,” she said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you’ve spent significant time on a college campus in the past 6 months, you don’t need anyone to tell you that a lot of the protestors are not students. It’s pretty obvious when you see it up close. Students certainly join in, but outside groups love coming to campuses to start these things. At the campus where I work, I’ve seen outside people come to protest and demonstrate for various causes for years now. Most students walk by them and ignore them; others engage and get into arguments with them. This time it’s just happening on a much larger scale and has clearly escalated in a very bad way. Those of you insisting outside people aren’t involved just sound silly.

Then those "outsiders" should have been forcibly removed at the outset.

The Israeli propaganda machine keeps throwing talking points in a frenzy to see what sticks.

They are terrorist sympathizers
They are Hamas
They are naive students
They are stupid students
They are spoiled students
They are rich students
They are scholarship students
They are foreign students
They are not students at all
They are George Soros sponsored protesters
They are outside agitatord
They are domestic terrorists
They are Iran backed terrorists


They are people with a concience protesting the killing of babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Americans have the right to peacefully protest.

Nobody has the “right” to:

Damage property

Threaten others

Assault others

Prevent others from accessing public or private property

Prevent students from attending class

Be a total a-hole

^^^
None of that is peacefully protesting. They deserve to be arrested.

It’s shocking to me that our Supreme Court is currently mulling over a case that could criminalize homeless people for simply sitting or sleeping on the street yet these privileged Americans can wreak havoc, damage property, and directly impact others without consequence.

I am baffled as to why Americans are centering themselves in this war…so “American” to make it about themselves.

Embarrassing.

Even Mika Brzezinski of Morning Joe agrees with you:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mika-brzezinski-declares-pro-palestinian-college-protests-look-like-january-6/ar-AA1nVNPC

Brezinski reacted to footage from protests by saying they reminded her of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

“That’s the place we’ve all been sitting in, watching this, going, ‘What the hell is going on? What are these universities doing? Why aren’t they doing something?’ And I’ll echo the horror that this does look like January 6th. What a terrible example for our students,” she said.

The college kids should feel free to protest. I did. The problem now is that they’re setting up these jack@ss camps that encourage outside instigators and escalation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you’ve spent significant time on a college campus in the past 6 months, you don’t need anyone to tell you that a lot of the protestors are not students. It’s pretty obvious when you see it up close. Students certainly join in, but outside groups love coming to campuses to start these things. At the campus where I work, I’ve seen outside people come to protest and demonstrate for various causes for years now. Most students walk by them and ignore them; others engage and get into arguments with them. This time it’s just happening on a much larger scale and has clearly escalated in a very bad way. Those of you insisting outside people aren’t involved just sound silly.

Then those "outsiders" should have been forcibly removed at the outset.

The Israeli propaganda machine keeps throwing talking points in a frenzy to see what sticks.

They are terrorist sympathizers
They are Hamas
They are naive students
They are stupid students
They are spoiled students
They are rich students
They are scholarship students
They are foreign students
They are not students at all
They are George Soros sponsored protesters
They are outside agitatord
They are domestic terrorists
They are Iran backed terrorists


They are people with a concience protesting the killing of babies.

Many of those labels certainly apply. Good work.

[Anonymous]

The whole thing is such a jumble of hatred.
The people who hate Jews set up camps to scream about hating Jews
And they are attacked by people who chanted they hate blacks… but they ALSO hate Jews- just not right then.
But what the hell! A brawls a brawl!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Counter-protesters attacked the pro-Palestinian encampment last night at UCLA.

At around 10:50 p.m., counter-protesters – who had been gathering around the encampment since that afternoon – began wrestling with protesters inside and CSC security hired by UCLA over the metal barricades surrounding the Gaza solidarity encampment. The barriers came down shortly afterward, and counter-protesters wearing masks then began shoving the wooden boards surrounding the encampment, attempting to topple them onto the protesters inside.

As counter-protesters pushed forward, some began aggressively hitting those inside the encampment with sticks, and others continued to break down the metal fences. Individuals also threw wooden planks, cones, a Bird scooter and water bottles at the encampment while chanting “USA, USA.”

Counter-protesters continued to spray noxious gasses at around 12:10 a.m. Another large round of gas from an unknown source was released at 12:23 a.m., and another at 12:37 a.m. The UC Divest representative said in a text message statement that the tear gas originated from counter-protesters, and encampment participants had only thrown back the canisters. However, a Daily Bruin reporter witnessed a hand inside the encampment spraying an aerosol out of a can toward the counter-protesters.

A counter-protester smashed the finger of a protester inside using a wooden slab at around 12:28 a.m. Counter-protesters also shouted an anti-Black racial slur at around the same time.

https://dailybruin.com/2024/05/01/pro-israel-counter-protesters-attempt-to-storm-encampment-sparking-violence

Zionists don’t know any other way of being, they have been bred to be barbaric.

Comments like this are why I don't believe that this isn't rooted in basic old fashioned antisemitism. These are brown shirts, Nazis etc pretending to be pro "liberation."