s/o: Wilson H.S. -- otherwise known as "Yale or Jail"

Anonymous
I pulled this from the thread on professors' kids because I thought everyone should see it. I had no idea others talk of Wilson this way, because that's not what you do in enlightened company.

IME, it's spot on. We're thinking of sending DCs to Wilson in a few years and shooting for Yale, in case that part's not obvious
Anonymous
really? others talk of Wilson this way? link please.
Anonymous
It's been discussed many times on this board about Wilson having one group of kids on the path to success and many others who are not. And of course you can guess how this breaks down racially. Yale or jail captures this sentiment.
Anonymous
Folks have described Wilson this way for years. The first time I heard it was several years ago from a Washington local who'd attended private schools in the area. It's not P.C. but it underscores the dichotomy.
Anonymous
OP,
You should check out Wilson's college placement.
Anonymous
Essentially Wilson practices de facto desegregation with the white kids disproportionately represented in certain academies. Remember, Reiner the teacher that was dumped and then re-hired at Wilson. read everything he wrote. He didn't want to deal with certain groups of students and an overwhelming majority, if not all, of the parents and students that supported him were white. His classes didn't look like Wilson. Was he a good teacher? Hell no, but the "Yale" crowd, liberal though they be, didn't want their kids taught by anyone who wasn't white. If Wilson lost those kids it would've been SOL.

And now you know the rest of the story.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We're thinking of sending DCs to Wilson in a few years and shooting for Yale, in case that part's not obvious

I'm so glad that you made this clear! Though I'm really surprised to hear it, I confess...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:. Was he a good teacher? Hell no, but the "Yale" crowd, liberal though they be, didn't want their kids taught by anyone who wasn't white. If Wilson lost those kids it would've been SOL.



That's complete BS - If you want to avoid black kids in your class or being taught be black teachers, don't send your kids to Wilson.

The Yale crowd at Wilson wants their kids to have a well rounded educational experience and doesn't care about the color of the the teacher as long as he or she is good - and Reiner is - or the parents and kids wouldn't have clamored to get him back.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:. Was he a good teacher? Hell no, but the "Yale" crowd, liberal though they be, didn't want their kids taught by anyone who wasn't white. If Wilson lost those kids it would've been SOL.



That's complete BS - If you want to avoid black kids in your class or being taught be black teachers, don't send your kids to Wilson.

The Yale crowd at Wilson wants their kids to have a well rounded educational experience and doesn't care about the color of the the teacher as long as he or she is good - and Reiner is - or the parents and kids wouldn't have clamored to get him back.


Does anyone have a link to the actual list of school the Wilson grads got into over the last few years? I am in free fall anxiety about this .
Anonymous
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SCHOOL?
Graduation dates: Thursday, June 12, 2008/Friday, August 1, 2008


University of Massachusetts- Amherst
Howard University
Xavier University - Ohio
Hampton University
University of Maryland – College Park
St. Johns University
Montgomery College – Takoma
Lincoln University
Montgomery College – Rockville
Montgomery College – Rockville
University of Texas – Austin
University of Pennsylvania
University of Delaware
UDC
VA Commonwealth University
Mount Holyoke College
Frostburg State University
New Mexico Military Institute
Montgomery College
Norfolk State University
Allegheny of Maryland
UDC
George Mason University
SUNY – Plattsburg
VCU
Corcoran School of Art and Design
UDC
Montgomery College
Carnegie Mellon University
University of Cincinnati
Michigan State University
Guilford College
Marshall University
University of Delaware
University of New Haven
Arizonia State University
University of Toledo
University of Pittsburg – Greensburg
Temple University
Kent State University
American University and Howard University
St. Johns University
Lincoln University
Howard University
Hampton University
Cornell University
Lincoln University
University of California Santa Barbara
UDC
UVA
Arizona State University
Elizabeth City State University
Hampshire College
Skidmore College
North Central College
University of Pennsylvania
UDC
UDC
Lincoln University
University of Chicago
United States Marine Corps
Norfolk State University
Lincoln University
George Mason University
Texas Southern University
Lincoln University
Wesleyan University
Carleton College
Tufts University
Everst College
Montgomery College - Rockville
George Mason University
Damaris UDC
Montgomery College – Rockville
Univ. Maryland – Baltimore County
Boston College
University of Michigan – Flint
West Liberty State College
Montgomery College – Takoma
Norfolk State University
Marymount University
Montgomery College
The Excel Institute
Northwestern University
Central Pennsylvania
Davidson College
Lincoln University
Delonta Bentley
University of Montana
Montgomery College
University of Michigan
Temple University
Mount St. Mary’s University
Aveda Cosmetology School
West Liberty State College
Liberty University
Trinity University
Trade school – cooking school
North Carolina Central
Northern Va. Community College
Vassar College
VCU
George Washington University
Smith College
University of Maryland – College Park
Bennett College
Montgomery College
SUNY Purchase
Montgomery College
University of Vermont
Yale University
Montgomery College
Montgomery College – Rockville
UNC Chapel Hill
East Carolina University
Morgan State University
University of Vermont
Hampton University
Pennsylvania State University – Schuylkill
VCU
University of Notre Dame
Morgan State University
Montgomery College – Takoma/Silver Spring
University of Colorado at Boulder
VSU
VCU
Central State
University of Massachusetts – Amherst
Montgomery College – Takoma
Delaware State
SU and VA Union
UDC
Montgomery Beauty School
Columbia University
UDC
Lincoln Tech
SUNY - Purchase
University of Michigan –Flint
Katalin University of Alabama
Montgomery College – Takoma
Michigan State
University of Michigan
Barry University
Five Towns College
University of Wisconsin
Macalester College
Brown University
George Mason University
Trinity College
Stanford University
Marymount University
Norfolk State University
VCU
Montgomery College – Rockville
University of Connecticut
UDC
Montgomery College
University of Maryland – College Park
University of New Hampshire
UDC
University of Delaware
University of Delaware
Montgomery College – Takoma
Michigan State
Randolph Makin
West Liberty University
SUNY Geneseo
UDC
VSU
Penn State University – Altoona
UDC
SUNY Binghampton
North Carolina State
University of Miami
Slippery Rock University
North Carolina A and T
Alleghany College of Maryland
PG College
Wheaton College
UDC
William Penn State Honors College
Mount St.Marys
George Washington University
University of Michigan
Montgomery College – Takoma
Santa Clara University
Reed College
Tufts University
Trinity College
Penn State
Montgomery College
BYU
University of North Carolina – Charlotte
University of Pennsylvania
George Mason University
American University
Norfolk State University
American University
Sciller International University
Yale University
Montgomery College - Takoma
Montgomery College
Zion Bible College
Schiller International University
Montgomery College – Takoma
Arizona State University
Northeastern University
Devry Crystal City
University of Colorado
University of Colorado
NOVA - Alexandria
Bowie State
The Art Institute of Washington, D.C.
Penn State
Howard University
Alleghany College of Maryland
Bowie State University
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
University of Massachusetts- Amherst
Montgomery College
Millersville
Marymount University
Tufts University
Trinity
NOVA Manassas
Montgomery College
Montgomery College – Rockville
Montgomery College
Bowie State
University of Wisconsin
SMU
DePaul University
Montgomery College
Barnard College
William and Mary
UDC
VSU
Bowie State
Guilford College
University of Tampa
Florida A and M
Georgetown University
University of Maryland – College Park
Montgomery College
University of Pittsburgh
Wesleyan University
Tennessee State University
Trinity College
Weber State
Cheyney University
University of Miami
Warren Wilson College
UNC Chapel Hill
Norfolk State University
Eastern Carolina University
North Carolina School of the Arts
University of Connecticut
Yale University
Yale University
Bowie State University
UDC then Allegany
George Washington University
Dartmouth College
VCU
Montgomery College – Takoma
Central State University
Barber school
Lawrence University
University of Management
Montgomery College - Rockville
Guilford College
Solomon William and Mary
Central State University
Trinity
Montgomery College – Rockville
American University
Ohio Wesleyan University
Morehouse College
VSU
University of Delaware
Tufts University
UDC
University of Colorado at Boulder
Princeton University
St. Johns University
Norfolk State University
Montgomery College – Takoma
Utah Valley State University
Morgan State University
UC – Berkley
UDC
George Mason University
Miami International University of Art and Design
Montgomery College
Montgomery College
Cerritos College
Temple University
Wake Forest University
niversity of Michigan
UMES
College of Charleston

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Anonymous
I got this off the school website last year, I haven't seen the Class of 2009's posted.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Essentially Wilson practices de facto desegregation with the white kids disproportionately represented in certain academies. Remember, Reiner the teacher that was dumped and then re-hired at Wilson. read everything he wrote. He didn't want to deal with certain groups of students and an overwhelming majority, if not all, of the parents and students that supported him were white. His classes didn't look like Wilson. Was he a good teacher? Hell no, but the "Yale" crowd, liberal though they be, didn't want their kids taught by anyone who wasn't white. If Wilson lost those kids it would've been SOL.

And now you know the rest of the story.


This is so depressing AA Tenleytown homeowner parent of future Wilson student.here. My kid is bright, probably could make the top 20-15% . But not if there is an embittered white teacher blocking his path thinking a white kid should get the nod because they remind him of his niece or nephew or whatever. My god, this beyond scary. I wasn't expecting Yale but something decent-Williams, Trinity, Bowdoin, Tufts something like that. Gah.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SCHOOL?
Graduation dates: Thursday, June 12, 2008/Friday, August 1, 2008




Wow! This is literally not half bad. Hah. So much for the rumors. I can see some of the racial breakdown along HBCU's --it;s a reasonable showing among better private and state schools. What a dope you be to stuggle with 30k a year at top three--their results when sorted for racial preference of some AA's for HBCU's are not significantly better--at least not to justify the strain paying that much tuition would put on our family of 5. Thank you. Thank you.

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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Essentially Wilson practices de facto desegregation with the white kids disproportionately represented in certain academies. Remember, Reiner the teacher that was dumped and then re-hired at Wilson. read everything he wrote. He didn't want to deal with certain groups of students and an overwhelming majority, if not all, of the parents and students that supported him were white. His classes didn't look like Wilson. Was he a good teacher? Hell no, but the "Yale" crowd, liberal though they be, didn't want their kids taught by anyone who wasn't white. If Wilson lost those kids it would've been SOL.

And now you know the rest of the story.


This is so depressing AA Tenleytown homeowner parent of future Wilson student.here. My kid is bright, probably could make the top 20-15% . But not if there is an embittered white teacher blocking his path thinking a white kid should get the nod because they remind him of his niece or nephew or whatever. My god, this beyond scary. I wasn't expecting Yale but something decent-Williams, Trinity, Bowdoin, Tufts something like that. Gah.


I don't know whether this will be more or less depressing for you, but the Reiner story is more complicated, especially when you look at the similar treatment of Siebens and Martel. All three have been highly successful AP teachers, all three are older white guys who have strong personalities. I've heard at least three versions of the story -- one is that they're threatening to the new principal who is eager to see them gone; another is that the new principal (pace Jay Matthews) wants more kids in AP, regardless of whether the kids themselves want to take AP, and these teachers don't want either to water down their classes or to try to teach a room full of kids where half want to be there and half don't; the last is a variation on the post you quoted which is the claim that the achievement gap is so great at Wilson because AP is pitched too high and too narrowly and that needs to be addressed.

Bottom line, unless your DC is already in MS, it's going to be wait-and-see. All of these guys are old enough that they'd have been gone soon anyway, so your DC wouldn't have been affected. At which point the question becomes what/who replaces them and their AP classes. Does the gap get narrowed by lowering the top, expanding the top, raising the bottom, or does it just persist? My guess is some of each and then the question becomes can you live with it and where will your kid end up. Keep an eye on Walls as an option, though there are some indications that it's facing some of the issues. Much may depend on the new Chancellor and/or the principals.
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