Does anyone know how the "Hate Bias Incident" reports live in a student record?

[Anonymous]

If a Hate Bias Incident Report is filed (for an inappropriate joke being told during an afterschool club for 4-6 graders), and no further actions are taken, how does that report live on in the reported child's record? No one seems able to tell us (the parents) what the long term ramifications are of this.

We're not the kind to make a mountain out of a molehill, but facts were incorrectly reported and the Principal involved feels the report was a "gross overreaction but I am required to file it". So if this will be a permanent stain on our child's record we may need to pursue it more aggressively. Seems like this is a new process for MCPS so I'm wondering whether anyone here has any insight? (We are also actively following up of course.)

Thanks for any insights.

[Anonymous]

LOL the "permanent record" bullshit.

There's no such thing, OP. It's just something people say to scare children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a Hate Bias Incident Report is filed (for an inappropriate joke being told during an afterschool club for 4-6 graders), and no further actions are taken, how does that report live on in the reported child's record? No one seems able to tell us (the parents) what the long term ramifications are of this.

We're not the kind to make a mountain out of a molehill, but facts were incorrectly reported and the Principal involved feels the report was a "gross overreaction but I am required to file it". So if this will be a permanent stain on our child's record we may need to pursue it more aggressively. Seems like this is a new process for MCPS so I'm wondering whether anyone here has any insight? (We are also actively following up of course.)

Thanks for any insights.

It's absolutely outrageous that schools are focusing on issues that seem to extend beyond their educational mandate, especially amid concerns about the decline of public and private education in this country. If you are looking for organizations that are prepared to handle this and actively fight against such school policies, here are some that you might consider:

Heritage Foundation: This conservative think tank actively discusses educational reforms and advocates for parental rights in education, aligning with concerns about keeping schools focused on core academic subjects.
Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF): Specializing in legal advocacy, ADF might provide support if you feel that schools are overstepping their educational roles, especially concerning educational rights and religious freedom.
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ): Known for its work in constitutional law, ACLJ offers legal support in cases where you believe that educational systems are infringing on parental rights or failing to uphold educational standards.
Parents Defending Education: This group focuses on opposing what they consider indoctrination in schools and advocates for refocusing educational policies on traditional educational values.
FreedomWorks: This organization promotes smaller government and individual freedoms, including in the educational sector, and could provide grassroots support for your concerns.

These organizations can provide you with the necessary tools, support, and legal guidance to challenge and potentially reshape the policies that you find concerning.

[Anonymous]

The right question to ask is whether such an incident is noted *on the transcript*. As far as I know, it is not. There is no place for it.

For college, only the high school transcript is transmitted to the admissions office.
For private middle or high schools, I would assume the same, unless one specifically asks about disciplinary actions and the counselor happens to be aware of this item in the file. You can ask the counselor at that time.
For letters of recommendations, naturally go to the teacher who can say good things about your kid.

I wouldn't worry too much, OP.

[Anonymous]

I graduated high school in the '80s. I'm inclined to ask to see my "permanent record". Just out of curiosity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I graduated high school in the '80s. I'm inclined to ask to see my "permanent record". Just out of curiosity.

I'm pretty sure even if it the physical folder that consisted of your record did exist, it either was destroyed or discarded by now or it's sitting in a pile somewhere that no one knows about.

Even with the shift to electronic records, if MCPS was deleting emails older than a year, there's no way I believe I they're holding on to tons of digital student records. Storage is not cheap!

[Anonymous]

A middle school disciplinary report will not be seen on a transcript, so it will not affect college entrances. High school teachers also will not know about it. I taught high school and had no access to my students files. If a student changes schools, it will almost certainly not follow him. When you enroll in a new school, you request that the school forward the child’s transcripts to the new school. Nothing else transfers without your consent.

[Anonymous]

Forever but no one looks at it. My kid got one for repeating what another kid said, my kid was SN and didn't understand what it meant. Principal did it to my kid but not another to spite me as there were IEP issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forever but no one looks at it. My kid got one for repeating what another kid said, my kid was SN and didn't understand what it meant. Principal did it to my kid but not another to spite me as there were IEP issues.

I'm so sorry pp. Your experience has strong similarities to what happened with my child.

I'm trying to figure out whether the fight to correct it would be more damaging than the report, or if 5 years from now when my kid applies for some program in high school (or a security clearance in ten years...) this could crop up and bite him...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL the "permanent record" bullshit.

There's no such thing, OP. It's just something people say to scare children.

The "permanent" record is there. No one looks at it if nothing else happens. Encourage your kid to let nothing else happen that might go on that record.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Forever but no one looks at it. My kid got one for repeating what another kid said, my kid was SN and didn't understand what it meant. Principal did it to my kid but not another to spite me as there were IEP issues.

I'm so sorry pp. Your experience has strong similarities to what happened with my child.

I'm trying to figure out whether the fight to correct it would be more damaging than the report, or if 5 years from now when my kid applies for some program in high school (or a security clearance in ten years...) this could crop up and bite him...

I cannot imagine it will hurt them with a clearance or HS program. I think it happens to a lot of kids especially those the principals target. It sucks but its had no impact.

[Anonymous]

Do a FERPA request then correct the record.

[Anonymous]

Can you ask to have a responsive letter from you attached to it? It sounds like there currently are no repercussions but I guess it’s possible in 4 years they will change policy and someone will have access to that file.

[Anonymous]

I am a registrar at an MCPS school. I guarantee you there is no such thing as a "permanent record."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a Hate Bias Incident Report is filed (for an inappropriate joke being told during an afterschool club for 4-6 graders), and no further actions are taken, how does that report live on in the reported child's record? No one seems able to tell us (the parents) what the long term ramifications are of this.

We're not the kind to make a mountain out of a molehill, but facts were incorrectly reported and the Principal involved feels the report was a "gross overreaction but I am required to file it". So if this will be a permanent stain on our child's record we may need to pursue it more aggressively. Seems like this is a new process for MCPS so I'm wondering whether anyone here has any insight? (We are also actively following up of course.)

Thanks for any insights.

It's absolutely outrageous that schools are focusing on issues that seem to extend beyond their educational mandate, especially amid concerns about the decline of public and private education in this country. If you are looking for organizations that are prepared to handle this and actively fight against such school policies, here are some that you might consider:

Heritage Foundation: This conservative think tank actively discusses educational reforms and advocates for parental rights in education, aligning with concerns about keeping schools focused on core academic subjects.
Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF): Specializing in legal advocacy, ADF might provide support if you feel that schools are overstepping their educational roles, especially concerning educational rights and religious freedom.
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ): Known for its work in constitutional law, ACLJ offers legal support in cases where you believe that educational systems are infringing on parental rights or failing to uphold educational standards.
Parents Defending Education: This group focuses on opposing what they consider indoctrination in schools and advocates for refocusing educational policies on traditional educational values.
FreedomWorks: This organization promotes smaller government and individual freedoms, including in the educational sector, and could provide grassroots support for your concerns.

These organizations can provide you with the necessary tools, support, and legal guidance to challenge and potentially reshape the policies that you find concerning.

It’s absolutely outrageous that rabid right wing trolls are denigrating school efforts to deal with the tsunami of racist incidents kicked of by an openly avowed racist having been elected president in 2016.