Is Gonzaga the it school this year for boys?

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

Nice cherry-picking.

25% chose Cornell
16% chose Northwestern
20% chose Rice
24% chose Vanderbilt
31% chose UCLA

All these schools are ranked higher than ND yet more chose ND. Glad I could bring you some clarity.

The point isn't to cherry pick. It's to highlight the fact that you're talking about 700 kids who were admitted to Yale and chose to go elsewhere. A handful chose to go to Notre Dame (and Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Michigan, Cal St, Cal Poly, NYU, UC Irvine, Cornell, Northwestern, Rice, Vandy, UCLA). I know it's confusing....but five kids choosing ND over Yale hardly speaks to anything unique about ND.

Wonder where the 40% of ND admits end up.

Where do you get the number 5? I think you are the one who is confused. Why are you even chiming in on a thread about Catholic schools when you clearly have an issue with them. Go back to the college forum if you want to trash ND and other Catholic colleges.

No need for me to trash ND...your alma mater is a perfectly fine school. I'm sure it offered you a truly unique experience, and their stats program is clearly top notch.

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But really why are you here but to spew your negativity?

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Anonymous wrote:But really why are you here but to spew your negativity?

I made one comment which disagreed with your assessment. That disagreement alone doesn't (or shouldn't) constitute negativity on my part. But really, why so compelled to argue?

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Anonymous wrote:But really why are you here but to spew your negativity?

I made one comment which disagreed with your assessment. That disagreement alone doesn't (or shouldn't) constitute negativity on my part. But really, why so compelled to argue?

Different pps have tried to combat the gratuitous negativity. Looks like there was more than one gratuitously negative pp. But really why are you here but to spew your negativity?

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Anonymous wrote:But really why are you here but to spew your negativity?

I made one comment which disagreed with your assessment. That disagreement alone doesn't (or shouldn't) constitute negativity on my part. But really, why so compelled to argue?

Different pps have tried to combat the gratuitous negativity. Looks like there was more than one gratuitously negative pp. But really why are you here but to spew your negativity?

DP. I think we all know why. Ignore the troll.

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Enlighten those of us who don't know.

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She's saying it's because you're not one of us.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

In the strictest sense, but catholic schools take direction and often times money from the catholic church. It's a hierarchal institution, there's no free-lancing in the catholic church, and the schools approach reflects that. You can find true independent private schools that take similar educational and cultural stances, but the Catholic schools are ultimately doing it as part of a larger institutional system.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not get involved at all in our Catholic HS. An independent Catholic school will engage in the Catholic teachings, but they do it in the way they find suitable for their students. There is no direction from the Archdiocese on the curriculum. Please don't post things you know nothing about.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

I am a Gonzaga/BC grad with a daughter who chose BC over Dartmouth. The Jesuit motto of Man and Woman for others has a distinct resonance at Jesuit institutions. We are not conservative and are not practicing Catholics but I found both institutions foundational and my daughter is excited beyond belief to be going there.

Eagles for the win.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

I am a Gonzaga/BC grad with a daughter who chose BC over Dartmouth. The Jesuit motto of Man and Woman for others has a distinct resonance at Jesuit institutions. We are not conservative and are not practicing Catholics but I found both institutions foundational and my daughter is excited beyond belief to be going there.

Eagles for the win.

It’s men for others.

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It’s men for others. Thanks for the information.

I think I am pretty aware what the Gonzaga motto is as it was the theme of my college essay 30 plus years ago.

BC is obviously coed and their motto is "men and women for others"

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Anonymous wrote:It’s men for others. Thanks for the information.

I think I am pretty aware what the Gonzaga motto is as it was the theme of my college essay 30 plus years ago.

BC is obviously coed and their motto is "men and women for others"

No it’s “persons for and with all creatures” now

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The BC motto is actually Ever to Excel. No idea what you mean by persons for and with all creatures but what ever you say.

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Anonymous wrote:The BC motto is actually Ever to Excel. No idea what you mean by persons for and with all creatures but what ever you say.

Clearly you weren’t educated on Fr. Pedro Arrupe, S.J..

Actually, Boston college can’t decide on a motto

It’s Ad majorem Dei gloriam, all for the greater glory of God.

And except the world aflame

And Ever Excel

It never was men and women for others. That’s a quote from Fr Pedro Arrupe from a 1973 speech who eventually changed it to people for and with all creatures