Sorry to be late. I just finished my breakfast beer. On! |
lol. NP, No dog in this fight, but you made me laugh. |
I wonder how the quality of education in an honors program at an in-state public university compares with that of an Ivy. Do these relatively inexpensive honors programs help the "internally flawless diamonds" compete with the "highly polished cubic zirconia" from "elite schools"? |
dp.. generally, you'll have more students from different SES backgrounds in honors colleges at the states schools compared to the elite schools. |
and it works |
It’s a great school. Very well regarded in the NYC area. |
Selectivity between Northwestern and Duke are about the same at our HS, but Chicago is more random. I feel like Chicago has been ultra focused on enrolling private school kids that need less aid. |
Isn't it more so that Stanford, Chicago, and Duke are considered the most "prestigious" roughly speaking schools in their respective regions? Stanford - West; Chicago - Midwest; and Duke - South. In terms of achieving regional parity, I think the term “Ivy Plus” is partly meant to balance out the Ivy League, all 8 school being in the Northeast, with the most prestigious/elite schools in regions outside the Northeast that dominate their respective regions. Which is why schools like Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, and Vanderbilt, which although roughly the equivalent to the lower Ivy League schools, aren’t necessarily considered the most elite in their region. |
If we're talking Ivy Plus, it probably makes the most sense to include Northwestern and Johns Hopkins, at least. I can see why a school like Vanderbilt or Rice might be left off, but the former two have just about all the attributes one might assign to a true Ivy peer - a long history of rigorous academic standards, national prestige, big endowments, research prowess, Ivy-equivalent (or in some cases, superior to Ivies) graduate or professional schools. |
+ Especially the business school. |
lol and both of you are proof! |
You have a very perceptive and wise kid. DC is full of people who are regarded as “accomplished” when they’re really just very well connected. I used to work on the Hill vetting Presidential nominees and then working with them after they were confirmed, and there are some really impressive people in our government, and some of those with inherited wealth are very smart and capable, but there are also an inordinate number of the barely mediocre who were privileged children admitted into a prestigious college who became the roommate of an even more prominently privileged person and parlayed that into a think tank or “consulting” gig and then a Presidential appointment. They’re very polished and put out a very good line of BS, but it’s frightening when you realize how little “there” is there. I guess that is why people in DC are so rabid about getting their kids into an Ivy — they think that it’s going to put their mediocre kid on that path. But I think the these schools used to graduate a sufficient proportion of truly impressive people so that the mediocre ones could obtain enough polish and it was harder to pick them out of the crowd. Have you seen any of the interviews with the protestors at Columbia? They’re not even polished any more. They’re mediocre *and* can’t even fake anything else. |
I vetted the White House Fellows for years. They were pretty bright. Are you talking about the interns? Like Monica Lewinsky? Those are different, and usually favors. |
oh puleezr. white house fellows is a world apart from interns like Monica |
this entire thread and college forum is proof |