Birth rate plummets

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Anonymous wrote:For all you saying that having kids is selfish, that is only true on a social levels, perhaps, if you are obsessed about global warming. On a personal level, in terms of personal growth and development, having kids is absolutely a lesson in humility and self sacrifice. I can't think of anything else more selfless than everything we parents do for our kids on a daily basis.

But us is still all about how you feel in the end. That is the definition of selfishness.

I don't think you understand what selfish means. It's not all about feelings. Real love is never selfish, and the act of parenting is a crash course on the meaning of love.

Dp- no one gives AF about how much you love your kids and how that makes you a superior person. We care about the carbon your kids create. We care about the waste they produce. We care about the water and food they consume. Having more than one kid is selfish and irresponsible.

This worldview might backfire. If only the people that don’t care about the environment are having multiple kid, the influence of anti-natalist environmental people will decline over time.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

Conservatives give birth to liberals.
They aren’t clones, they’re kids

The heritability of political views is 30-50%. Over time this trend will make the average person more politically conservative. People are not clones, but parents transmit political tendencies to their offspring that shift the probability of having certain political views.

So ... 50-70% end up not following their parents' views? I think you drew the wrong conclusion from that.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

Conservatives give birth to liberals.
They aren’t clones, they’re kids

The heritability of political views is 30-50%. Over time this trend will make the average person more politically conservative. People are not clones, but parents transmit political tendencies to their offspring that shift the probability of having certain political views.

So ... 50-70% end up not following their parents' views? I think you drew the wrong conclusion from that.

That is not how that works. Shifting the distribution curve still has a large impact over a few generations even if the heritability is low. It means that the correlation bewtween parent political views and child political views is around .5-.7. So 30–50% of the variation in peoples political are attributable to their parents.

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Cling to that if it makes you feel better, I guess.

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I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

Conservatives give birth to liberals.
They aren’t clones, they’re kids

The heritability of political views is 30-50%. Over time this trend will make the average person more politically conservative. People are not clones, but parents transmit political tendencies to their offspring that shift the probability of having certain political views.

So ... 50-70% end up not following their parents' views? I think you drew the wrong conclusion from that.

That’s why conservatives are breeders. They are hoping the numbers are on their side.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the progressives, conservatives have a lot more kids. This trend holds within communities and across different density levels. So the conservative people are likely to inherit the earth in the long-run.

Conservatives give birth to liberals.
They aren’t clones, they’re kids

The heritability of political views is 30-50%. Over time this trend will make the average person more politically conservative. People are not clones, but parents transmit political tendencies to their offspring that shift the probability of having certain political views.

So ... 50-70% end up not following their parents' views? I think you drew the wrong conclusion from that.

That’s why conservatives are breeders. They are hoping the numbers are on their side.

The bright side? Climate change doesn’t care and kills regardless of your tribe.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Okay, so it's a sacrifice, but it's also "a blessing and an experience so rewarding." Sounds like you think this blessing and rewarding experience is a terrific benefit to you overall. Great. Go for it. But that's not a grand sacrifice overall that you are doing to benefit humanity instead of yourself. You just contradicted that.

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?
There is no contradiction to saying that having kids is both a sacrifice and a blessing and rewarding experience.
You don't want kids? Fine. Don't have them. But, don't go around criticizing others for wanting the joy of having a family.

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

As I said, don't have kids if you don't want them. Wouldn't want to risk a mass murderer.

[Anonymous]

It’s tied to women’s level of eduction.
When women are educated and have choices, they make better ones.
😁

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Okay, so it's a sacrifice, but it's also "a blessing and an experience so rewarding." Sounds like you think this blessing and rewarding experience is a terrific benefit to you overall. Great. Go for it. But that's not a grand sacrifice overall that you are doing to benefit humanity instead of yourself. You just contradicted that.

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?
There is no contradiction to saying that having kids is both a sacrifice and a blessing and rewarding experience.
You don't want kids? Fine. Don't have them. But, don't go around criticizing others for wanting the joy of having a family.

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

As I said, don't have kids if you don't want them. Wouldn't want to risk a mass murderer.

I seriously doubt your loins are producing the next Mother Thresa. Just ayin'. But if you need to hold onto that, more power to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of factors.

Women wanting a career more than a family.
Young people not wanting to marry let alone start a family.
Young people more interested in social media than actual human contact.
Egocentricity - more concerned with one's own needs and not wanting to worry about the needs of another.
The economy and unwillingness to sacrifice luxuries for the benefit of another.

The world does not need more humans. Having a baby is selfish and done to fulfill one's self. You are not making some grand sacrifice for the world, this is about you and yours.

If everyone stopped having babies, humans would cease to exist. Seems that is what you want.
Despite your beliefs, having children is a sacrifice. It is also a blessing and an experience so rewarding that those who choose to not have children will never experience.

Okay, so it's a sacrifice, but it's also "a blessing and an experience so rewarding." Sounds like you think this blessing and rewarding experience is a terrific benefit to you overall. Great. Go for it. But that's not a grand sacrifice overall that you are doing to benefit humanity instead of yourself. You just contradicted that.

Oh, please. Any parent who tells you that they did not make sacrifices to have children are just lying or are not very good parents.
And, how do you know that one of the children that I gave birth to and sacrificed for is not the next Einstein or Mother Theresa?
There is no contradiction to saying that having kids is both a sacrifice and a blessing and rewarding experience.
You don't want kids? Fine. Don't have them. But, don't go around criticizing others for wanting the joy of having a family.

Or the next Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy.

As I said, don't have kids if you don't want them. Wouldn't want to risk a mass murderer.

You want to both hold that your childbearing is both the most magical and rewarding thing that nobody else can explain, and that it practically exalts you, but that oh it also is something people should admire you for because it is such a hard and terrible choice.

Pick a lane.

[Anonymous]

Let’s spend another $10 trillion and allow 10 million migrants a year to enter unvetted and see if that helps wages, inflation, mortgage costs and home values.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s spend another $10 trillion and allow 10 million migrants a year to enter unvetted and see if that helps wages, inflation, mortgage costs and home values.

Go whine about that somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster.
I am surprised about birth rates going down. I live in an area with many immigrants and they have 3+ kids, seems like most of them.

Generally, immigrants have more kids, and that's why immigrants are necessary to keep our working population at a certain level. If we only rely on "real" Americans, the working population would decline, which is bad for the economy.

This is partly why forced-birthers want to ban abortion.