High school shutouts-- what's the plan?

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

Ok. Thank you! If we decide to do this- should we say anything to DC and/or MD that the siblings are split? Silly question, Are home visits random or should we request one?

The way an investigation would be triggered would be likely because someone thought your forms were weird or because someone reported MD plates at dropoff. I don't think this would be helped if you told the principal that one parent lives in MD and the kids are split? And there's nowhere on the OSSE form to say this and really no need to.

If they want to do a home visit, they'll tell you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker admitted 260 kids to yield 180. 180/260 = 69%

Walls typically admits about 240 students (adding match day numbers plus waitlist offers) to wind up with about 160 freshmen on count day. 160/240 = 67%

The numbers are really incredibly similar. It’s almost like Banneker and Walls are about the same size, located in the same general area, draw from broadly overlapping applicant pools, compete with the same privates and charters, and must conduct admissions through the same weird lottery mechanism. They’re very similar schools, in the grand scheme of things.

Nope....Walls can fit inside of Banneker from maximum student standpoint. Banneker is slowly growing while Walls is over enrolled.

Banneker is 671 this year, Walls is about 600.

In a high school landscape where schools range from 377 (Latin) to 2153 (JR), I think it’s fair to say that Walls and Banneker are about the same size.

Banneker's capacity is around 1K and Walls is over enrolled right now around 575-600. There was a call late last year about the overcrowded schools and how to alleviate. So yes, Banneker's building is substainlly larger.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Banneker and McKinley didn’t match all the seats is meaningless. The number of seats they put down is essentially a guess and a maximum. Then they decide from the pool of applicants who/how many to interview, and then from that who/how many to admit. Only those the school deems “Eligible” after the interview process can be admitted. The the number of kids on the tableau form is how many were deemed “eligible.” It tells zero information about how many applied. If they want to fill to the original number the seats they put down, they would have done it.

It's not meaningless, it indicates that the wait-list may clear, and then what?

There is no waitlist. Banneker wants 180 freshmen, they admitted 245, they’re calculating that 65 will enroll elsewhere. It’s exactly how private school and college admissions work: admit more students than you plan to enroll, calculating that not all of them will enroll. Walls does something similar; they matched 180 but usually have only 150 freshmen.

They did clear their waitlist. They couldn’t fill the 260 seats they had. They only filled 245 seats.

If they have 180 seats and set aside 260 seats, that tells me a lot of kids, over 40% don’t enroll and go there.

They had about 700 interviews this year.lol This isn't true. I suspect people are actually waitlisted that are showing otherwise. I would absolutely reapply asap. DC is in the currently bloated freshman class and most of their friends were waitlisted in initially.

Are you saying to reapply even though DC was ‘ineligible’? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

Presumably that is the case here but they still want a home visit. So, apparently that is not enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Banneker and McKinley didn’t match all the seats is meaningless. The number of seats they put down is essentially a guess and a maximum. Then they decide from the pool of applicants who/how many to interview, and then from that who/how many to admit. Only those the school deems “Eligible” after the interview process can be admitted. The the number of kids on the tableau form is how many were deemed “eligible.” It tells zero information about how many applied. If they want to fill to the original number the seats they put down, they would have done it.

It's not meaningless, it indicates that the wait-list may clear, and then what?

There is no waitlist. Banneker wants 180 freshmen, they admitted 245, they’re calculating that 65 will enroll elsewhere. It’s exactly how private school and college admissions work: admit more students than you plan to enroll, calculating that not all of them will enroll. Walls does something similar; they matched 180 but usually have only 150 freshmen.

They did clear their waitlist. They couldn’t fill the 260 seats they had. They only filled 245 seats.

If they have 180 seats and set aside 260 seats, that tells me a lot of kids, over 40% don’t enroll and go there.

They had about 700 interviews this year.lol This isn't true. I suspect people are actually waitlisted that are showing otherwise. I would absolutely reapply asap. DC is in the currently bloated freshman class and most of their friends were waitlisted in initially.

Are you saying to reapply even though DC was ‘ineligible’? Thanks.

I would reapply.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that Banneker and McKinley didn’t match all the seats is meaningless. The number of seats they put down is essentially a guess and a maximum. Then they decide from the pool of applicants who/how many to interview, and then from that who/how many to admit. Only those the school deems “Eligible” after the interview process can be admitted. The the number of kids on the tableau form is how many were deemed “eligible.” It tells zero information about how many applied. If they want to fill to the original number the seats they put down, they would have done it.

It's not meaningless, it indicates that the wait-list may clear, and then what?

There is no waitlist. Banneker wants 180 freshmen, they admitted 245, they’re calculating that 65 will enroll elsewhere. It’s exactly how private school and college admissions work: admit more students than you plan to enroll, calculating that not all of them will enroll. Walls does something similar; they matched 180 but usually have only 150 freshmen.

They did clear their waitlist. They couldn’t fill the 260 seats they had. They only filled 245 seats.

If they have 180 seats and set aside 260 seats, that tells me a lot of kids, over 40% don’t enroll and go there.

They had about 700 interviews this year.lol This isn't true. I suspect people are actually waitlisted that are showing otherwise. I would absolutely reapply asap. DC is in the currently bloated freshman class and most of their friends were waitlisted in initially.

Are you saying to reapply even though DC was ‘ineligible’? Thanks.

I would reapply.

The worst they can do is tell you no, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

Presumably that is the case here but they still want a home visit. So, apparently that is not enough.

We had a home visit five years ago. In "our" front yard (actually my retired parents' DC house). We never let the DCPS investigator in, which wasn't a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

Presumably that is the case here but they still want a home visit. So, apparently that is not enough.

We had a home visit five years ago. In "our" front yard (actually my retired parents' DC house). We never let the DCPS investigator in, which wasn't a problem.

Did you just lie to them about you residency? Were you paying DC taxes?

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Anonymous wrote:We have close friends and relatives with teens in schools in Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo. The friends became our pals in our DCPS ES. It's clear to me that there really isn't any comparison between dysfunctional, low-capacity, ambition challenged DCPS and the high-capacity school systems in the burbs. For starters, those counties support advanced programs for ES and MS. They track academically in middle school in all core subjects by 7th grade. They also run serious test-in HS programs, mostly the school-within-a-school type. Parents in those school systems grumble on these threads because it's all relative - they haven't experienced DCPS middle or high school chaos and ad hocery.

Cool anecdote. You're wildly incorrect, but cool anecdote.

NP. Wildly incorrect? Dream on.

In MoCo, Arlington and Fairfax, advanced middle school students can take honors (aka "intensified" or above-grade-level) classes in 7th and 8th grades in science, social studies, English and math. In DCPS, the best you can do are grade level middle school classes in core subjects, with advanced math at Deal, Hardy and maybe Hobson

Correct, no serious test-in HS programs in the DC public system. We don't have high octane high school programs because we don't have advanced elementary school or middle school programs. Can you make do with Walls, or J-R, or Latin, or DCI, or Banneker? Yes. Can these programs compete with what's offered at the better suburban high school programs? Definitely not.

Former DC resident, current MoCo resident. Again, the bolded is not correct. The only enriched options in MS are in math and social studies. Unless you attend one of the magnets (which are lotteries among qualified students), there is no enriched English or science class available. I mean, sure, MCPS puts everyone in "advanced" English, but this is just to appease parents -- it is just an on-level class.

Enriched social studies and math and you're complaining? At least a third of the kids in my child's DCPS 8th grade social studies class at Stuart Hobson work multiple years behind grade level. No, MCPS doesn't put everybody into advanced English. Many kids are put into ELL English, at least on the eastern side of the county. You must live in Bethesda.

I’m not complaining, just correcting your inaccuracies.

MCPS does put everyone in the same English class. ELL students may also get support through an extra ELL class in place of a language or special, but t their English class is the same as everyone else’s. Literally every person at our school takes “advanced” English, and there is not one above-grade level text included. It’s just an on-grade level class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

Presumably that is the case here but they still want a home visit. So, apparently that is not enough.

We had a home visit five years ago. In "our" front yard (actually my retired parents' DC house). We never let the DCPS investigator in, which wasn't a problem.

you’re a real *sshole. do you think that’s cute?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have close friends and relatives with teens in schools in Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo. The friends became our pals in our DCPS ES. It's clear to me that there really isn't any comparison between dysfunctional, low-capacity, ambition challenged DCPS and the high-capacity school systems in the burbs. For starters, those counties support advanced programs for ES and MS. They track academically in middle school in all core subjects by 7th grade. They also run serious test-in HS programs, mostly the school-within-a-school type. Parents in those school systems grumble on these threads because it's all relative - they haven't experienced DCPS middle or high school chaos and ad hocery.

The bolded is not true for MCPS. MCPS MS offer advanced math class (generally taking algebra in 7th grade) and advanced social studies. There is no advanced English or science. For languages, you take high school classes in middle school. For my kid, those have been the most challenging. The advanced social studies class has some more work than the regular one, but it's not especially challenging. The advanced math class is probably similar to what DCPS does for kids who take algebra in 7th.

MCPS has been fine for us, but we also liked the upper NW DCPS we were in before and think our kid would have been fine with Deal/J-R for high school. I know a lot of people in DC don't have those choices -- but if you play the lottery and have no luck and find yourselves having to move, I would put Deal/J-R just as high on the neighborhoods to consider as the MCPS schools.

- Former DC resident, now MoCo resident, again

Thank you to this. Due to some circumstances we find ourselves in, moving to Moco for High School is no longer an option we are likely to take. I was wondering if this was creating a catastrophic loss in learning potential for my son, and it sounds like the difference is not quite so stark between "good" DC schools and "good" MoCo schools.

That is correct. MCPS is fine, but it’s far from perfect and people complain all the time about problems with the system and with specific schools. It is triple the size of DCPS and is very focused on equity, with many schools using an “honors for all” system that provides very little differentiation. The average MCPS school is surely better than the average DCPS, but when you are looking at schools like Deal and Jackson-Reed, the differences are not that great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have close friends and relatives with teens in schools in Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo. The friends became our pals in our DCPS ES. It's clear to me that there really isn't any comparison between dysfunctional, low-capacity, ambition challenged DCPS and the high-capacity school systems in the burbs. For starters, those counties support advanced programs for ES and MS. They track academically in middle school in all core subjects by 7th grade. They also run serious test-in HS programs, mostly the school-within-a-school type. Parents in those school systems grumble on these threads because it's all relative - they haven't experienced DCPS middle or high school chaos and ad hocery.

The bolded is not true for MCPS. MCPS MS offer advanced math class (generally taking algebra in 7th grade) and advanced social studies. There is no advanced English or science. For languages, you take high school classes in middle school. For my kid, those have been the most challenging. The advanced social studies class has some more work than the regular one, but it's not especially challenging. The advanced math class is probably similar to what DCPS does for kids who take algebra in 7th.

MCPS has been fine for us, but we also liked the upper NW DCPS we were in before and think our kid would have been fine with Deal/J-R for high school. I know a lot of people in DC don't have those choices -- but if you play the lottery and have no luck and find yourselves having to move, I would put Deal/J-R just as high on the neighborhoods to consider as the MCPS schools.

- Former DC resident, now MoCo resident, again

Thank you to this. Due to some circumstances we find ourselves in, moving to Moco for High School is no longer an option we are likely to take. I was wondering if this was creating a catastrophic loss in learning potential for my son, and it sounds like the difference is not quite so stark between "good" DC schools and "good" MoCo schools.

That is correct. MCPS is fine, but it’s far from perfect and people complain all the time about problems with the system and with specific schools. It is triple the size of DCPS and is very focused on equity, with many schools using an “honors for all” system that provides very little differentiation. The average MCPS school is surely better than the average DCPS, but when you are looking at schools like Deal and Jackson-Reed, the differences are not that great.

The magnets in MCPS is the place to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

Presumably that is the case here but they still want a home visit. So, apparently that is not enough.

We had a home visit five years ago. In "our" front yard (actually my retired parents' DC house). We never let the DCPS investigator in, which wasn't a problem.

Exh A: why home visits are needed and how individuals’ selfishness costs everyone else, including school children

Well done, PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question- if one parent lives in DC and the other in MD, can one child go to a DC school and the other attend in MD? We are thinking of having our high schooler attend a MD school and our younger child continue at a school in DC. I’m fuzzy on how this works. Want to be sure we do what’s legally right. We have split custody.

For DC, the focus is mainly on establishing that it's the parent's residence, not the kid's: https://osse.dc.gov/page/office-enrollment-residency-supporting-families-students

They can do a home visit to make sure that your kid is actually living there (like, that they have a bed and clothes and such). But obviously they would have that, since your kid is living there part of the time.

I don't know about MD. But if the kids are truly splitting their time equally -- like, every-other-week -- MD would not be able to say they didn't want to educate them.

The focus is also on paying DC tax. If one parent files in DC you're good in the District for schools.

Presumably that is the case here but they still want a home visit. So, apparently that is not enough.

We had a home visit five years ago. In "our" front yard (actually my retired parents' DC house). We never let the DCPS investigator in, which wasn't a problem.

Nice way to teach your kids to lie, cheat, and steal.