New article on women who voted for Trump

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I’m seeing a barrage of patients coming in from different countries. An Iraqi immigrant came in last night, he needs dialysis. He will never be productive in the U.S., he will always be dependent on Medicaid. I feel for him, I want to help him, but we have to take care of our own people first. Driving to work yesterday, I saw three homeless people. They need our help.

If I turned down every candidate who objectified women, I’d vote for no one.



Yes, this is exactly what Jesus told us to do. Take care of our own first.

? Jesus told us to take care of our own first? The Jesus I know commanded us to love everyone, regardless of country of origin or citizenship. He said to welcome foreigners and take care of them.

PP here who wrote the above.. let me clarify: I'm not advocating for open borders, but if you are going to bring Jesus into this picture, then let's be clear. Jesus wouldn't let a stranger go hungry just because that person wasn't a local.
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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.


Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.


Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.


Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.


Trump said that in response to hit pieces talking about how the uneducated prefer Trump. Trump, knowing how to work people, absolutely embraced them. The other side was demeaning and criticizing, he opened his arms.

It's something to think about.


He didn't embrace them. He played them by convincing them he had. He will do nothing for them and looks down on them as much as the "liberal elites" if not more.


I agree that he doesn't have any particular affinity for them beyond the appreciation they offer him.

But the Democrats could have embraced and accepted them too, instead of criticizing them and demeaning them. Many of the uneducated lack the opportunity to go to college. You'd think that would be a ready made group for the Democrats to court. But they preferred to use them as a point of mockery.


NP here. This doesn't tell the whole story. I grew up blue collar (as did my husband). And I can tell you that there are actually a lot of people in that demographic who are openly hostile toward college and higher education. That is part of the problem.

My husband and I both got a lot of grief for pursuing an education. We worked hard to do it, but we were mocked. I'm sure our relatives and inlaws see us as the "privileged liberals" now. But the reality is we grew up with them, under the same circumstances, with the same limitations. We weren't privileged elitists. But we were willing to do what we had to do to pursue higher education.

I do think a lot of liberals are disconnected from the mindset of those deep red areas. But not in the way people assume.

The reality is that it is part of human nature for people to cling to the familiar. It's why it is not easy to improve areas with deep poverty (urban, rural, rust belt). People are suspicious of change, reluctant to adapt to new realities. They cling to the familiar -- even if that familiar hasn't served them well. They repeat patterns. It's very hard to overcome.

If lack of opportunity to pursue education was really the problem, then people in those areas would have been receptive to the message of affordable college (Bernie was the loudest voice of that message, but it was also a part of Hillary's campaign). But they didn't seem to care about that. Voters in those areas were less interested in free or affordable college than they were in someone promising to bring the old jobs back -- even though a lot of the old jobs have been eliminated by technology, not by any political policy and even though what made the old jobs good jobs were the things the unions secured (pensions, job security, good wages).





I don't disagree with this analysis. But I do wonder why we're so eager to make excuses for Latino and black males in gangs, for example, yet we feel comfortable slamming people in Middle America who are just as insular and fearful of breaking free from destructive patterns.

It's a white/minority breakdown with an uneven view - when we're actually discussing the SAME problem.

I have a friend who grew up in DC and is now living in "Middle America." Although initially upset over the move, she now has a greater understanding and appreciation of this new "culture" after living there for over half of her life and raising two children there. She respects her neighbors and has done more than enough to help her immediate community by becoming involved in local politics and supporting her daughters' schools.

However, my own boss, who grew up on food stamps among the poor whites, is bitter and resents her upbringing. She refuses to return and is angry at her own family and childhood friends who supported Trump. She has thrown herself entirely into the world of the liberal elites.

Those who have "escaped" this pattern should pay it back.
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I don't disagree with this analysis. But I do wonder why we're so eager to make excuses for Latino and black males in gangs, for example, yet we feel comfortable slamming people in Middle America who are just as insular and fearful of breaking free from destructive patterns.

It's a white/minority breakdown with an uneven view - when we're actually discussing the SAME problem.

I have a friend who grew up in DC and is now living in "Middle America." Although initially upset over the move, she now has a greater understanding and appreciation of this new "culture" after living there for over half of her life and raising two children there. She respects her neighbors and has done more than enough to help her immediate community by becoming involved in local politics and supporting her daughters' schools.

However, my own boss, who grew up on food stamps among the poor whites, is bitter and resents her upbringing. She refuses to return and is angry at her own family and childhood friends who supported Trump. She has thrown herself entirely into the world of the liberal elites.

Those who have "escaped" this pattern should pay it back.

Curious.. why do you think they should pay it back considering those areas don't seem to support the idea of their young people going off to college and doing better for themselves, and as a PP noted, when you go back, your family and friends think you are a snob or an elite?

Personally, I don't make excuses for Black or Latino men who grew up here. If they came here recently and know nothing about education being the ticket out, then I can understand. However, I do know that this country is still has a problem with racism, including the corporate world. Also, if you live in a gang infested area, your very life is in danger, and many join gangs because of pressure. Much harder to get out of it than if you live in rural America and are white.

I'm not a liberal, but I do recognize that there is such a thing as "white privilege". That doesn't excuse young Black and Latino men from living the straight and narrow and getting themselves educated. But, I do recognize that it is harder for them if they live in gang infested areas.

--signed an Asian
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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why so many people here can't comprehend that most people who voted for Trump, really voted against Hilary, that it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Press has long abandoned any semblance of civility or impartiality either way. The fact that main stream media vilified Trump and he still won, should be a wake up sign that real American people are not fools educated liberals take them for. Why would democratic party run a horse that already lost once before? I know, I know she won the popular vote, but she didn't win the election. I am not a Trumpist at all.


You ask this question like the nomination of Hillary Clinton was some bizarre event. But there is nothing unusual about this. Presidents who had lost at least one run for the presidency before being elected include:

Jefferson
Jackson
Harrison
Tyler
Cleveland (served as president, lost his re-election bid, and then ran again 4 years later and won)
Coolidge
Nixon
Reagan
GHW Bush

The list of people who have run for president and lost more than once includes Aaron Burr, John Jay, Charles Pinckney, Henry Clay, William Jennings Bryan, Eugene Debs, Thomas Dewey, Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, Ross Perot, Bob Dole, Al Gore, Ralph Nader, John McCain, John Edwards, and Joe Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.


Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.


Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.


Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.


Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.


You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.



I am not missing the point. I worked very hard to get my degrees while working in the day and attending school
at night. I did not say that the lack of a college degree is a point of pride, I did say it is not always needed for success. I pointed to both the immigrant and Anerican business people with whom I work to show that while an education may not be needed does not mean it is not valued. I have written many letters of recommendation for college applications for my "uneducated" colleagues' children. I have also worked with the kids who chose not to attend college and followed their parents into their business.

I respect people who make an egoist whether by obtaining an education or by working I hope you can do the same
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Anonymous wrote:It's simple. Hilary is a crook. That's all anyone needs to realize.


Trump is actually a crook. Ripped off hundreds of contractors and workers. Worked the system to avoid the draft and pay taxes. Proudly assauted women. And so, between "two crooks" , you chose the vulgar, immature, inexperienced one. This is why we don't understand you.


Yeah, I went back and read the article again and - irony of ironies - so many of these women said they thought Clinton was untrustworthy and then turned right around to say that they were horrified by things Trump said but didn't believe what he said.

This. I just don't get it. Trump has done all those things Trumpsters accuse HRC of doing - lying, cheating, etc... - but just in the private sector rather than the public sector because, you know, *he has NEVER served the public, or even paid taxes in the past 20 yrs to help the public*. But she gets criticized for it, and he gets a pass. I can't help but think this is sexism, even from and by women.


You don't get it because you live in a bubble and have little if any critical thinking skills.

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I don't disagree with this analysis. But I do wonder why we're so eager to make excuses for Latino and black males in gangs, for example, yet we feel comfortable slamming people in Middle America who are just as insular and fearful of breaking free from destructive patterns.

It's a white/minority breakdown with an uneven view - when we're actually discussing the SAME problem.

I have a friend who grew up in DC and is now living in "Middle America." Although initially upset over the move, she now has a greater understanding and appreciation of this new "culture" after living there for over half of her life and raising two children there. She respects her neighbors and has done more than enough to help her immediate community by becoming involved in local politics and supporting her daughters' schools.

However, my own boss, who grew up on food stamps among the poor whites, is bitter and resents her upbringing. She refuses to return and is angry at her own family and childhood friends who supported Trump. She has thrown herself entirely into the world of the liberal elites.

Those who have "escaped" this pattern should pay it back.

Curious.. why do you think they should pay it back considering those areas don't seem to support the idea of their young people going off to college and doing better for themselves, and as a PP noted, when you go back, your family and friends think you are a snob or an elite?

Personally, I don't make excuses for Black or Latino men who grew up here. If they came here recently and know nothing about education being the ticket out, then I can understand. However, I do know that this country is still has a problem with racism, including the corporate world. Also, if you live in a gang infested area, your very life is in danger, and many join gangs because of pressure. Much harder to get out of it than if you live in rural America and are white.

I'm not a liberal, but I do recognize that there is such a thing as "white privilege". That doesn't excuse young Black and Latino men from living the straight and narrow and getting themselves educated. But, I do recognize that it is harder for them if they live in gang infested areas.

--signed an Asian


I don't know where to begin with you. First of all, let me clarify that I teach kids in gangs. So I'm very familiar with their issues and lifestyles. I've been to one too many funerals, too.

The very fact that ignorance breeds ignorance is exactly why we need to give back in however way we can. You don't leave who you are. You can mask it with your fancy education and pretty house and shiny cars, but you can't ever erase it from your core.

And as a white person myself, I don't give a rat's ass about privilege. I really don't. The worst thing I can do is to become the white savior first of all - but to make excuses for poor life choices only perpetuates the problem.

So we can enable, run away and pretend our old lives never existed, or we can face our demons and do what we can to rebuild our communities.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.


Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.


Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.


Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.


Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.


You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.



I am not missing the point. I worked very hard to get my degrees while working in the day and attending school
at night. I did not say that the lack of a college degree is a point of pride, I did say it is not always needed for success. I pointed to both the immigrant and Anerican business people with whom I work to show that while an education may not be needed does not mean it is not valued. I have written many letters of recommendation for college applications for my "uneducated" colleagues' children. I have also worked with the kids who chose not to attend college and followed their parents into their business.

I respect people who make an egoist whether by obtaining an education or by working I hope you can do the same


Actually, I can and do respect people who can make a go of it with or without an education. I was responding to your opening statement, bolded above, because it does miss the point. Trump said he loves the uneducated, but made no distinction about the values it takes to be successful.

As you carefully explained, that's an important distinction to make. Too many people who responded positively to his remark couldn't be bothered to make it, and all that does is validate the view that education is a worthless pursuit.

I happen to think that college is just not for everyone. Where we've failed, from a policy perspective, is making that the only pathway to class mobility. Even trades people have to learn a trade.
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I’m seeing a barrage of patients coming in from different countries. An Iraqi immigrant came in last night, he needs dialysis. He will never be productive in the U.S., he will always be dependent on Medicaid. I feel for him, I want to help him, but we have to take care of our own people first. Driving to work yesterday, I saw three homeless people. They need our help.

If I turned down every candidate who objectified women, I’d vote for no one.



Yes, this is exactly what Jesus told us to do. Take care of our own first.

? Jesus told us to take care of our own first? The Jesus I know commanded us to love everyone, regardless of country of origin or citizenship. He said to welcome foreigners and take care of them.

PP here who wrote the above.. let me clarify: I'm not advocating for open borders, but if you are going to bring Jesus into this picture, then let's be clear. Jesus wouldn't let a stranger go hungry just because that person wasn't a local.


Jesus also told his followers to obey their laws/governments, and said the poor will always be with us.

Make no mistake: if you invoke Jesus, acknowledge the only time humankind will be well and whole is when the Prince of Peace HIMSELF returns.
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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.


Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.


Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.


Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.


Trump said that in response to hit pieces talking about how the uneducated prefer Trump. Trump, knowing how to work people, absolutely embraced them. The other side was demeaning and criticizing, he opened his arms.

It's something to think about.


He didn't embrace them. He played them by convincing them he had. He will do nothing for them and looks down on them as much as the "liberal elites" if not more.


I agree that he doesn't have any particular affinity for them beyond the appreciation they offer him.

But the Democrats could have embraced and accepted them too, instead of criticizing them and demeaning them. Many of the uneducated lack the opportunity to go to college. You'd think that would be a ready made group for the Democrats to court. But they preferred to use them as a point of mockery.


NP here. This doesn't tell the whole story. I grew up blue collar (as did my husband). And I can tell you that there are actually a lot of people in that demographic who are openly hostile toward college and higher education. That is part of the problem.

My husband and I both got a lot of grief for pursuing an education. We worked hard to do it, but we were mocked. I'm sure our relatives and inlaws see us as the "privileged liberals" now. But the reality is we grew up with them, under the same circumstances, with the same limitations. We weren't privileged elitists. But we were willing to do what we had to do to pursue higher education.

I do think a lot of liberals are disconnected from the mindset of those deep red areas. But not in the way people assume.

The reality is that it is part of human nature for people to cling to the familiar. It's why it is not easy to improve areas with deep poverty (urban, rural, rust belt). People are suspicious of change, reluctant to adapt to new realities. They cling to the familiar -- even if that familiar hasn't served them well. They repeat patterns. It's very hard to overcome.

If lack of opportunity to pursue education was really the problem, then people in those areas would have been receptive to the message of affordable college (Bernie was the loudest voice of that message, but it was also a part of Hillary's campaign). But they didn't seem to care about that. Voters in those areas were less interested in free or affordable college than they were in someone promising to bring the old jobs back -- even though a lot of the old jobs have been eliminated by technology, not by any political policy and even though what made the old jobs good jobs were the things the unions secured (pensions, job security, good wages).





I don't disagree with this analysis. But I do wonder why we're so eager to make excuses for Latino and black males in gangs, for example, yet we feel comfortable slamming people in Middle America who are just as insular and fearful of breaking free from destructive patterns.

It's a white/minority breakdown with an uneven view - when we're actually discussing the SAME problem.

I have a friend who grew up in DC and is now living in "Middle America." Although initially upset over the move, she now has a greater understanding and appreciation of this new "culture" after living there for over half of her life and raising two children there. She respects her neighbors and has done more than enough to help her immediate community by becoming involved in local politics and supporting her daughters' schools.

However, my own boss, who grew up on food stamps among the poor whites, is bitter and resents her upbringing. She refuses to return and is angry at her own family and childhood friends who supported Trump. She has thrown herself entirely into the world of the liberal elites.

Those who have "escaped" this pattern should pay it back.


If you believe that we make excuses for black men and Latinos in gangs, I must live in an alternative universe. Black people lost urban manufacturing jobs 30 years ago. We were called lazy and uneducated. Middle America lost the same jobs and it's because of NAFTA. I think it's interesting b/c it feels like the shoe is on the other foot for once. We were called welfare queens and everything else. We were never given a pass. Now, the same fate is befalling white people and the world must stop to elect Donald Trump.
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To Pride and Prejudice fans:

Trump = Mr. Wickam
Obama= Mr. Darcy

Women who fell for Mr. Wickam will regret it.
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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.


Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.


Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.


Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.


Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.


You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.



I am not missing the point. I worked very hard to get my degrees while working in the day and attending school
at night. I did not say that the lack of a college degree is a point of pride, I did say it is not always needed for success. I pointed to both the immigrant and Anerican business people with whom I work to show that while an education may not be needed does not mean it is not valued. I have written many letters of recommendation for college applications for my "uneducated" colleagues' children. I have also worked with the kids who chose not to attend college and followed their parents into their business.

I respect people who make an egoist whether by obtaining an education or by working I hope you can do the same


Actually, I can and do respect people who can make a go of it with or without an education. I was responding to your opening statement, bolded above, because it does miss the point. Trump said he loves the uneducated, but made no distinction about the values it takes to be successful.

As you carefully explained, that's an important distinction to make. Too many people who responded positively to his remark couldn't be bothered to make it, and all that does is validate the view that education is a worthless pursuit.

I happen to think that college is just not for everyone. Where we've failed, from a policy perspective, is making that the only pathway to class mobility. Even trades people have to learn a trade.


My parents didn't have an education. They killed themselves to make sure I went to college. They understood that excuses were not going to acceptable to me as a black woman. They knew that was the only way out. They sold their house to send me to college. I understand how difficult it is to break a cycle, but kids don't ask to be born and parents need to make sacrifices to make sure their kids have a better life than they did.
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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.


Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.


Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.


Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.


Trump said that in response to hit pieces talking about how the uneducated prefer Trump. Trump, knowing how to work people, absolutely embraced them. The other side was demeaning and criticizing, he opened his arms.

It's something to think about.


He didn't embrace them. He played them by convincing them he had. He will do nothing for them and looks down on them as much as the "liberal elites" if not more.


I agree that he doesn't have any particular affinity for them beyond the appreciation they offer him.

But the Democrats could have embraced and accepted them too, instead of criticizing them and demeaning them. Many of the uneducated lack the opportunity to go to college. You'd think that would be a ready made group for the Democrats to court. But they preferred to use them as a point of mockery.


NP here. This doesn't tell the whole story. I grew up blue collar (as did my husband). And I can tell you that there are actually a lot of people in that demographic who are openly hostile toward college and higher education. That is part of the problem.

My husband and I both got a lot of grief for pursuing an education. We worked hard to do it, but we were mocked. I'm sure our relatives and inlaws see us as the "privileged liberals" now. But the reality is we grew up with them, under the same circumstances, with the same limitations. We weren't privileged elitists. But we were willing to do what we had to do to pursue higher education.

I do think a lot of liberals are disconnected from the mindset of those deep red areas. But not in the way people assume.

The reality is that it is part of human nature for people to cling to the familiar. It's why it is not easy to improve areas with deep poverty (urban, rural, rust belt). People are suspicious of change, reluctant to adapt to new realities. They cling to the familiar -- even if that familiar hasn't served them well. They repeat patterns. It's very hard to overcome.

If lack of opportunity to pursue education was really the problem, then people in those areas would have been receptive to the message of affordable college (Bernie was the loudest voice of that message, but it was also a part of Hillary's campaign). But they didn't seem to care about that. Voters in those areas were less interested in free or affordable college than they were in someone promising to bring the old jobs back -- even though a lot of the old jobs have been eliminated by technology, not by any political policy and even though what made the old jobs good jobs were the things the unions secured (pensions, job security, good wages).





I don't disagree with this analysis. But I do wonder why we're so eager to make excuses for Latino and black males in gangs, for example, yet we feel comfortable slamming people in Middle America who are just as insular and fearful of breaking free from destructive patterns.

It's a white/minority breakdown with an uneven view - when we're actually discussing the SAME problem.

I have a friend who grew up in DC and is now living in "Middle America." Although initially upset over the move, she now has a greater understanding and appreciation of this new "culture" after living there for over half of her life and raising two children there. She respects her neighbors and has done more than enough to help her immediate community by becoming involved in local politics and supporting her daughters' schools.

However, my own boss, who grew up on food stamps among the poor whites, is bitter and resents her upbringing. She refuses to return and is angry at her own family and childhood friends who supported Trump. She has thrown herself entirely into the world of the liberal elites.

Those who have "escaped" this pattern should pay it back.


If you believe that we make excuses for black men and Latinos in gangs, I must live in an alternative universe. Black people lost urban manufacturing jobs 30 years ago. We were called lazy and uneducated. Middle America lost the same jobs and it's because of NAFTA. I think it's interesting b/c it feels like the shoe is on the other foot for once. We were called welfare queens and everything else. We were never given a pass. Now, the same fate is befalling white people and the world must stop to elect Donald Trump.


So true. Just like the opioids epidemics now becoming a medical issue.
The only silver lining is that mow that troubles have reachef the white folks, someone will finally pay attention.
It won't be Trump/GOP that fixes anything, but the issue won't go away.
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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

You really and actually believe that.
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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

You really and actually believe that.


SHE DOES!! The welfare queen myth is alive and well
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