Increased incidence of squatting in empty homes/rental homes

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Anonymous wrote:I think it takes 30+ days for someone to establish residence. I’d hope one would know if someone has been in their house for over 39 days.

+1 It's not "go out to dinner, and then someone squats in your home". That would immediately be a B&E since they would not be able to show a valid utility bill in that time, nor would they be able to get rid of all your stuff in that amount of time.

But, yes, 30 days, that's concerning.

We are planning to spend a lot of time traveling when the kids are out of the house. I told DH that squatting is a big concern. We will have cameras in the house, and hopefully, neighbors who will keep an eye out. Or, maybe get a house alarm with a company.

It works in blue states with ridiculous laws. It does not work in red states and would be down right dangerous in stand your ground states or strong castle law states.

Squatters have rights in both Texas and Florida. Blue those states are not.

Not in Florida. Not now. Every single state should pass similar laws.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed anti-squatter legislation on Wednesday, seeking to combat individuals who illegally reside in a house that they do not own or pay rent for.

The bill would allow law enforcement to remove squatters who can’t produce a notarized lease signed by the landowner or proof that they are paying rent for the property.

Additionally, there would be penalties for individuals who produce fraudulent leases that are commonly used by squatters.

Rep. Kevin Steele, R-Dade City, sponsored HB 621 and Sen. Keith Perry, R-Gainesville, championed the Senate version.

Steele brought up the work that it took to get the legislation perfected and passed unanimously in both chambers.

It's common sense legislation; I expect NY and CA to update their laws in a similar manner.

There was no need for Ronnie to make this some sort of pissing match with other states. He's such a drama queen.

I wouldn't hold my breath on CA and NY doing the same.
Too progressive to have any common sense.
And, DeSantis is right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, all of the stuff about “squatters’ rights” in this thread is all entirely BS fear mongering.

In DC, “squatters’ rights” (adverse possession) require 15 YEARS of continuous occupation. The possession must also be “actual, open, notorious, exclusive, continuous, and hostile.” So totally unrelated to tenants (to whom these conditions do not apply) or to people committing B&E. In California, it’s 5 years, and you must have been the one paying property taxes and you must have made improvements. In NY, it’s 10 years.

Is this thread another pre-election effort by Ivan?

Oh ffs. Stop it with the paranoid Russian bot accusations.

The issue is not adverse possession. It’s that squatters can invoke tenants rights after 30 days, which means instead of getting the police to remove them as trespassers you have to go through housing court.

My housing court judges are named Smith & Wesson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, all of the stuff about “squatters’ rights” in this thread is all entirely BS fear mongering.

In DC, “squatters’ rights” (adverse possession) require 15 YEARS of continuous occupation. The possession must also be “actual, open, notorious, exclusive, continuous, and hostile.” So totally unrelated to tenants (to whom these conditions do not apply) or to people committing B&E. In California, it’s 5 years, and you must have been the one paying property taxes and you must have made improvements. In NY, it’s 10 years.

Is this thread another pre-election effort by Ivan?

A simple DC case search proves otherwise. Cases like this can languish for 1-2 years in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it takes 30+ days for someone to establish residence. I’d hope one would know if someone has been in their house for over 39 days.

+1 It's not "go out to dinner, and then someone squats in your home". That would immediately be a B&E since they would not be able to show a valid utility bill in that time, nor would they be able to get rid of all your stuff in that amount of time.

But, yes, 30 days, that's concerning.

We are planning to spend a lot of time traveling when the kids are out of the house. I told DH that squatting is a big concern. We will have cameras in the house, and hopefully, neighbors who will keep an eye out. Or, maybe get a house alarm with a company.

It works in blue states with ridiculous laws. It does not work in red states and would be down right dangerous in stand your ground states or strong castle law states.

Squatters have rights in both Texas and Florida. Blue those states are not.

Not in Florida. Not now. Every single state should pass similar laws.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed anti-squatter legislation on Wednesday, seeking to combat individuals who illegally reside in a house that they do not own or pay rent for.

The bill would allow law enforcement to remove squatters who can’t produce a notarized lease signed by the landowner or proof that they are paying rent for the property.

Additionally, there would be penalties for individuals who produce fraudulent leases that are commonly used by squatters.

Rep. Kevin Steele, R-Dade City, sponsored HB 621 and Sen. Keith Perry, R-Gainesville, championed the Senate version.

Steele brought up the work that it took to get the legislation perfected and passed unanimously in both chambers.

It's common sense legislation; I expect NY and CA to update their laws in a similar manner.

There was no need for Ronnie to make this some sort of pissing match with other states. He's such a drama queen.

I wouldn't hold my breath on CA and NY doing the same.
Too progressive to have any common sense.
And, DeSantis is right.

+1. I'm no fan of DeSantis, but he's absolutely right and a shot at CA and NY over piss poor property rights is warranted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it takes 30+ days for someone to establish residence. I’d hope one would know if someone has been in their house for over 39 days.

+1 It's not "go out to dinner, and then someone squats in your home". That would immediately be a B&E since they would not be able to show a valid utility bill in that time, nor would they be able to get rid of all your stuff in that amount of time.

But, yes, 30 days, that's concerning.

We are planning to spend a lot of time traveling when the kids are out of the house. I told DH that squatting is a big concern. We will have cameras in the house, and hopefully, neighbors who will keep an eye out. Or, maybe get a house alarm with a company.

It works in blue states with ridiculous laws. It does not work in red states and would be down right dangerous in stand your ground states or strong castle law states.

Squatters have rights in both Texas and Florida. Blue those states are not.

Not in Florida. Not now. Every single state should pass similar laws.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed anti-squatter legislation on Wednesday, seeking to combat individuals who illegally reside in a house that they do not own or pay rent for.

The bill would allow law enforcement to remove squatters who can’t produce a notarized lease signed by the landowner or proof that they are paying rent for the property.

Additionally, there would be penalties for individuals who produce fraudulent leases that are commonly used by squatters.

Rep. Kevin Steele, R-Dade City, sponsored HB 621 and Sen. Keith Perry, R-Gainesville, championed the Senate version.

Steele brought up the work that it took to get the legislation perfected and passed unanimously in both chambers.

It's common sense legislation; I expect NY and CA to update their laws in a similar manner.

There was no need for Ronnie to make this some sort of pissing match with other states. He's such a drama queen.

I wouldn't hold my breath on CA and NY doing the same.
Too progressive to have any common sense.
And, DeSantis is right.

+1. I'm no fan of DeSantis, but he's absolutely right and a shot at CA and NY over piss poor property rights is warranted.

Fully. This makes him look good and I don't like the guy

[Anonymous]

If these leftwing states don’t change their laws, they practically are begging SCOTUS to rule that homeowners have a constitutional right to use deadly force to remove squatters.

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Anonymous wrote:How can a law be written to more easily evict squatters such that it cannot also be used against the owner/lawful resident? Maybe it needs to be tailored to apply only to individual homeowners?

Require that any homeowner offering an home for rent notify the local government and provide contact information. Then, require that all rental agreements be filed with the local government - can be done by one or both sides. If an agreement has not been filed, it’s not enforceable and rights revert to the homeowner. Also offer owners the opportunity to file a “not for rent” notice that would prevent squatter claims.

If either side can file the rental agreement, then a squatter could file a bogus lease and you'd still end up in court to prove that it wasn't real.

The problem is that states like NY make anyone who resides in a house a tenant after 30 days (bogus lease or not), the cops won't make a call on whether the claims of the landlord or the squatter are valid, and the civil courts won't act within 30 days. Bingo -- landlord now has a tenant, whether or not their initial residency was legal.

Yes family member ended live-in relationship with significant other (not married). They refused to leave. Police called & could not do anything. The creep had to be literally evicted through court proceedings & law enforcement called to assist when they still resisted the order to leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, all of the stuff about “squatters’ rights” in this thread is all entirely BS fear mongering.

In DC, “squatters’ rights” (adverse possession) require 15 YEARS of continuous occupation. The possession must also be “actual, open, notorious, exclusive, continuous, and hostile.” So totally unrelated to tenants (to whom these conditions do not apply) or to people committing B&E. In California, it’s 5 years, and you must have been the one paying property taxes and you must have made improvements. In NY, it’s 10 years.

Is this thread another pre-election effort by Ivan?

Oh ffs. Stop it with the paranoid Russian bot accusations.

The issue is not adverse possession. It’s that squatters can invoke tenants rights after 30 days, which means instead of getting the police to remove them as trespassers you have to go through housing court.

This seems to be a nonsense sentence.

“Squatters’ rights” is absolutely and solely related to adverse possession.

People who commit breaking and entering are not tenants and have to rights as conveyed by a rental agreement. Owners file an “affidavit of intruder” and the sheriff removes them.

This is BS fearmongering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, all of the stuff about “squatters’ rights” in this thread is all entirely BS fear mongering.

In DC, “squatters’ rights” (adverse possession) require 15 YEARS of continuous occupation. The possession must also be “actual, open, notorious, exclusive, continuous, and hostile.” So totally unrelated to tenants (to whom these conditions do not apply) or to people committing B&E. In California, it’s 5 years, and you must have been the one paying property taxes and you must have made improvements. In NY, it’s 10 years.

Is this thread another pre-election effort by Ivan?

A simple DC case search proves otherwise. Cases like this can languish for 1-2 years in DC.

The fact that resolving an adverse possession case may take time doesn’t change the underlying law. I expect that the cases that languish are non clearcut.

[Anonymous]

It’s interesting to real all of these BS claims that laws in New York and California somehow grant people who commit breaking and entering and fraud the status of tenants (they don’t) when a search of “tenant fraud New York” brings up mostly stories of landlord defrauding tennants.

[Anonymous]

Quit lying, that’s exactly how NY law works now. A squatter receives protection from eviction after 30 days, just like legal tenants.

“In New York, squatters have rights after 30 days. It's written in the law that squatters have to be taken to court, making it difficult for police to have the authority to remove them.” https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-squatters-investigation-new-york-law/14578206/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quit lying, that’s exactly how NY law works now. A squatter receives protection from eviction after 30 days, just like legal tenants.

“In New York, squatters have rights after 30 days. It's written in the law that squatters have to be taken to court, making it difficult for police to have the authority to remove them.” https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-squatters-investigation-new-york-law/14578206/

NY law absolutely does NOT grant tenancy to someone who illegally enters a home. The news report you cited is wildly vague and fundamentally incorrect. The legal process for removing someone from a property IS TO GO TO COURT and file an affidavit. Then the sheriff removes them. This in no way implies anything about “squatters’ rights.” I get that you love DeSantis and apparently want people to believe that he’s great for attacking a law that doesn’t exist in NY, but that doesn’t change the fact that breaking and entering and fraud don’t convey tenancy in any jurisdiction anywhere.

[Anonymous]

There are countless reports of New York homeowners unable to evict squatters, but you seem to think they are all fake.

[Anonymous]

Hopefully we can get the Biden’s out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are countless reports of New York homeowners unable to evict squatters, but you seem to think they are all fake.

It's because the squatters show a phony lease to the cops and the cops refuse to do the slightest bit of work to see if they are legit. It's called a "work stoppage" and innocent people get screwed over.