New director awful. How are orgs so bad at picking competent leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

Unless you are a shift employee, paid by the hour clocking in and out, a profession work schedule is not 9-5 (or the equivalent beginning at 6 AM).

[Anonymous]

I’m with you OP. If this was a couple of months into the new person’s tenure, I might feel differently. But trying to edit every document and attend all these low level meetings one year in seems extreme. I would ask, though, has this new executive been any kind of force for change? Any positive change?

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930am to 4pm should not require advance notice to meet.

If you are scheduling 8 am meetings or meetings that start at 5 pm yes.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

FYI since you seem to need it spelled out: New Regime now. Back to the basics. Normal office hours until you prove yourself.

New senior leadership can sit down with all 800 FTEs and reset work expectations, roles & responsibilities, office hours, and turnaround times.

Things under previous “leadership” clearly got very loose, vague and ambiguous. Wonder what happened to them?

That's not what happened. No one sat down and reset expectations. They could do that. Maybe they should. But they didn't.

How old are you? 23?

Don’t new leadership start one or two weeks ago? Stop flipping out and do your job or go find another.

I'm not OP. But yes, people will go find other jobs. Including ones who could have made the hours work, but who saw the imploding workplace around them and GTFO.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

FYI since you seem to need it spelled out: New Regime now. Back to the basics. Normal office hours until you prove yourself.

New senior leadership can sit down with all 800 FTEs and reset work expectations, roles & responsibilities, office hours, and turnaround times.

Things under previous “leadership” clearly got very loose, vague and ambiguous. Wonder what happened to them?

That's not what happened. No one sat down and reset expectations. They could do that. Maybe they should. But they didn't.

How old are you? 23?

Don’t new leadership start one or two weeks ago? Stop flipping out and do your job or go find another.

I'm not OP. But yes, people will go find other jobs. Including ones who could have made the hours work, but who saw the imploding workplace around them and GTFO.

Excellent, enjoy your daily car pools where only you do the driving. Smart.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

FYI since you seem to need it spelled out: New Regime now. Back to the basics. Normal office hours until you prove yourself.

New senior leadership can sit down with all 800 FTEs and reset work expectations, roles & responsibilities, office hours, and turnaround times.

Things under previous “leadership” clearly got very loose, vague and ambiguous. Wonder what happened to them?

That's not what happened. No one sat down and reset expectations. They could do that. Maybe they should. But they didn't.

How old are you? 23?

Don’t new leadership start one or two weeks ago? Stop flipping out and do your job or go find another.

I'm not OP. But yes, people will go find other jobs. Including ones who could have made the hours work, but who saw the imploding workplace around them and GTFO.

Interviewer - why are you looking to make a change
Employee - my previous workplace did not respect my boundaries and expected me to be able to attend 4pm meetings with only a days notice
Interviewer - clears throat awkwardly, types ‘quickly, pretend something urgent came up’ to uppermost group teams chat, desperately searches mental database for question to ask individual with no apparent grasp on ‘work’

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Nailed it

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

FYI since you seem to need it spelled out: New Regime now. Back to the basics. Normal office hours until you prove yourself.

New senior leadership can sit down with all 800 FTEs and reset work expectations, roles & responsibilities, office hours, and turnaround times.

Things under previous “leadership” clearly got very loose, vague and ambiguous. Wonder what happened to them?

That's not what happened. No one sat down and reset expectations. They could do that. Maybe they should. But they didn't.

How old are you? 23?

Don’t new leadership start one or two weeks ago? Stop flipping out and do your job or go find another.

I'm not OP. But yes, people will go find other jobs. Including ones who could have made the hours work, but who saw the imploding workplace around them and GTFO.

Interviewer - why are you looking to make a change
Employee - my previous workplace did not respect my boundaries and expected me to be able to attend 4pm meetings with only a days notice
Interviewer - clears throat awkwardly, types ‘quickly, pretend something urgent came up’ to uppermost group teams chat, desperately searches mental database for question to ask individual with no apparent grasp on ‘work’

The words you say are "the work-life balance was hard for me as a parent". Alternatively, "there were some leadership changes, a lot of people are leaving, and I'm not confident about the future of the organization."

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

FYI since you seem to need it spelled out: New Regime now. Back to the basics. Normal office hours until you prove yourself.

New senior leadership can sit down with all 800 FTEs and reset work expectations, roles & responsibilities, office hours, and turnaround times.

Things under previous “leadership” clearly got very loose, vague and ambiguous. Wonder what happened to them?

That's not what happened. No one sat down and reset expectations. They could do that. Maybe they should. But they didn't.

How old are you? 23?

Don’t new leadership start one or two weeks ago? Stop flipping out and do your job or go find another.

I'm not OP. But yes, people will go find other jobs. Including ones who could have made the hours work, but who saw the imploding workplace around them and GTFO.

Interviewer - why are you looking to make a change
Employee - my previous workplace did not respect my boundaries and expected me to be able to attend 4pm meetings with only a days notice
Interviewer - clears throat awkwardly, types ‘quickly, pretend something urgent came up’ to uppermost group teams chat, desperately searches mental database for question to ask individual with no apparent grasp on ‘work’

The words you say are "the work-life balance was hard for me as a parent". Alternatively, "there were some leadership changes, a lot of people are leaving, and I'm not confident about the future of the organization."

I don’t think the point being made was ‘what shall i say when looking for a new job?’
The point being made was the expectations around work life balance make op a poor choice for pretty much any hiring manager

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

FYI since you seem to need it spelled out: New Regime now. Back to the basics. Normal office hours until you prove yourself.

New senior leadership can sit down with all 800 FTEs and reset work expectations, roles & responsibilities, office hours, and turnaround times.

Things under previous “leadership” clearly got very loose, vague and ambiguous. Wonder what happened to them?

That's not what happened. No one sat down and reset expectations. They could do that. Maybe they should. But they didn't.

How old are you? 23?

Don’t new leadership start one or two weeks ago? Stop flipping out and do your job or go find another.

I'm not OP. But yes, people will go find other jobs. Including ones who could have made the hours work, but who saw the imploding workplace around them and GTFO.

Interviewer - why are you looking to make a change
Employee - my previous workplace did not respect my boundaries and expected me to be able to attend 4pm meetings with only a days notice
Interviewer - clears throat awkwardly, types ‘quickly, pretend something urgent came up’ to uppermost group teams chat, desperately searches mental database for question to ask individual with no apparent grasp on ‘work’

The words you say are "the work-life balance was hard for me as a parent". Alternatively, "there were some leadership changes, a lot of people are leaving, and I'm not confident about the future of the organization."

I don’t think the point being made was ‘what shall i say when looking for a new job?’
The point being made was the expectations around work life balance make op a poor choice for pretty much any hiring manager

It is some kind of bizarro wishful thinking that people who are available to work 7:30-4 or 8-4:30 or whatever are just broadly unemployable. You can want that to be the case - I don't know why - but it's not. And even some jobs with expectations around evening and weekend hours still understand you take a break to get your kids and log on after.

[Anonymous]

If the head of my organization started reviewing my direct reports’ work, I’d be really concerned.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like the new director is sending a message about the workday. If she told everybody that the workday is 8-5 or 9-6, she’d get a lot of pushback. But, if she schedules meetings for those hours and employees comply, she’s getting what she wants without saying the quiet part out loud.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the new director is sending a message about the workday. If she told everybody that the workday is 8-5 or 9-6, she’d get a lot of pushback. But, if she schedules meetings for those hours and employees comply, she’s getting what she wants without saying the quiet part out loud.

Except she took the meeting from her car, so the message sent is, do whatever you want, just be available on the phone.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the new director is sending a message about the workday. If she told everybody that the workday is 8-5 or 9-6, she’d get a lot of pushback. But, if she schedules meetings for those hours and employees comply, she’s getting what she wants without saying the quiet part out loud.

Good test.

Good weed out process too.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the new director is sending a message about the workday. If she told everybody that the workday is 8-5 or 9-6, she’d get a lot of pushback. But, if she schedules meetings for those hours and employees comply, she’s getting what she wants without saying the quiet part out loud.

Good test.

Good weed out process too.

Totally. Unclear, unannounced rule changes leave behind the people who can't get hired elsewhere. That's definitely who you want to keep.