The pattern from your school is the most important thing. Get the counselor to tell you if previous accepted applicants were athletes/hooked. |
You do you, but clearly you know the kid isn’t at Williams or bowdoin level as an unhooked non athlete even if they are coming from the best NYC private. You’re on here trying to figure out how to best game ED and the suggestion is to apply to a tier or two lower, like bates. If you want to get in ED and be done you’ll need to apply to a school like that or a better ranked midwestern school like Grinnell. Thems the breaks kid! |
Also meant to add - if a kid with Bs is getting in from your elite private you know that kid is an URM (or states they are on the app), the parent is a major donor case (ie donating 7 figures which is way more common w NYC money), a power player parents, legacy, or maybe a recruited athlete (less likely) |
Davidson. Has significant ED advantage, but fewer athletes than many SLACs. |
A 90 at our school is a B+ at our school. And not easy to get. A 90 at other schools is easy to get and fully an A. dont know this OP's school, but I wouldnt be so arrogant. at our NYC private, a kid with a few B+s (ie 90) gets into Williams. your GC will know, OP |
This assessment of Colby is out of date. The new athletic center is attracting a ton of athlete applicants. |
Which SLACS other than Oberlin have good science programs? Thinking of whether it's worth it for my A-/B+ kid to ED anywhere or to just try their luck in EA with state schools. We will be full pay. |
Top producers of Chem Ph.D.s per capita (among their alums) include: Harvey Mudd Juniata Carleton Kalamazoo Wabash Allegheny Hope Grinnell Haverford Wooster Hendrix Williams St. Olaf Reed Earlham Top producers of Bio Ph.D.s per capita (among their alums) include: Hampshire Haverford Pomona Swarthmore Earlham Carleton Mount Holyoke Grinnell Harvey Mudd Amherst Reed Allegheny St. Olaf Ursinus Juniata Top producers of Physics Ph.D.s per capita (among their alums) include: Harvey Mudd Reed Swarthmore Haverford Carleton Grinnell Williams Kenyon (Lots more SLACs on other STEM lists and in places beyond #20: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#chemistry) |
OP, it’s not as well-known (or has as low admit rates) as the east coast LACs, but Whitman College felt similar to NESCACs but with a mellower vibe, and it’s only 17% varsity athletes. Very well resourced for its size/location, too. |
The list of PhDs are really interesting and helpful. I’m pleasantly surprised by how many off-the-beaten-track schools are on the STEM lists. Thank you, PP. |
💯 The high school matters more than any other thing. |
Huh? Davidson is Division 1 sports. There are not fewer athletes at Davidson. |
Percentage athletes:
Williams 36% Swarthmore 33% Trinity 33% Hamilton 33% Wash and Lee 32% Amherst 30% Haverford 30% Kenyon 30% Grinnell 26% Davidson 26% Middlebury 26% Holy Cross 23% Occidental 22% Carleton 20% Princeton 19% Colgate 18% Macalester 18% Vassar 17% Tufts 14% Brown 13% Georgetown 11% Hampshire 11% John’s Hopkins 10% Bard 10% Rice 10% Notre Dame 9% Wake Forest 8% William and Mary 8% WashU 7% Chicago 7% Boston College 7% Virginia 5% Fordham 5% George Washington 4% USC 3% Ole Miss 3% American 3% Indiana 2% Arizona 2% Texas 2% Maryland 2% NYU 2% St. John’s 0% Reed 0% |
Double check numbers for any school interested in, obviously, and this is a month or two old so data may or may not have turned over.
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Where do these numbers come from? I only ask bcs I’ve read Amherst can be as high as 40%. Never heard lower than 35% |